You must have been dying of boredom to start a hobby like that :-)
To stay on topic (somewhat): why no RS/6000 under AIX? That platform can run DECnet at least.
I'm not so sure about the AS/400, only had to deal with it once so far. IP, not a DECnet problem IIRC.
Hans
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So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400.
How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up?
Sampsa
Sampsa,
I acquired an AS/400 box a few years ago. It is about the size of half a "standard" refrigerator and was at least a two-man lift (fortunately, I was able to roll it). I've been trying to obtain a demo copy of the OS with no luck. I'm fairly certain one may be better off trying to emulate the hardware (I was able to do this with either OS/390 or Z on a mainframe emulator several years ago). Still no luck in the AS/400 space ...
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400.
How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up?
Sampsa
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400.
How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up?
Sampsa
Hello!
Strangely enough the IBM website should still have information on
them. As for buying one, I suspect there's a good used equipment
broker where you are based.
For my part I was interested in the one that's about the size of a
hardcover book with the PCMCIA interface to the host.
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So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400.
How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up?
Sampsa
I've been reprogramming a DECserver 90M, and using it to connect to fafner.dyndns.org which is a mighty fine VAX and nicely configured with my kind of software.
Using someone else's machine that is running 24/7 as opposed to your own suddenly feels like you are doing the world a favor by sharing resources, rather than running a machine yourself.
Mind, having said that, the AS1000A+BA356 in the basement needs turning off...
Still, I do like the hum of RHESUS and CHIMPY in the machine room, there's just something so geektastic about all those blinking lights and noises.
So I'm killing the planet, big whoop..
Sampsa
On 08/07/11 23:25, Mark Benson wrote:
On 8 Jul 2011, at 22:44, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Realistically what would it draw, compared to say an Alphaserver 4100 with two BA365s, fully populated?
I've got some space in a rack in my machine room, with air conditioning :)
I'm not sure about the AlphaServer, but A rx6000 with 2 Itanium 2 single core units draws 340-370 Watts and kicks out monster amounts of heat for a 2U.
If you want to effectively virtualise OpenVMS you'd be way better off running small x86_64 VMs with an Alpha or VAX emulator on a multi-core x86_64 server. Cost weighting of purchase vs. running costs makes way more sense.
I've been reprogramming a DECserver 90M, and using it to connect to fafner.dyndns.org which is a mighty fine VAX and nicely configured with my kind of software.
Using someone else's machine that is running 24/7 as opposed to your own suddenly feels like you are doing the world a favor by sharing resources, rather than running a machine yourself.
Mind, having said that, the AS1000A+BA356 in the basement needs turning off...
Regards, Mark.
On 8 Jul 2011, at 22:44, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Realistically what would it draw, compared to say an Alphaserver 4100 with two BA365s, fully populated?
I've got some space in a rack in my machine room, with air conditioning :)
I'm not sure about the AlphaServer, but A rx6000 with 2 Itanium 2 single core units draws 340-370 Watts and kicks out monster amounts of heat for a 2U.
If you want to effectively virtualise OpenVMS you'd be way better off running small x86_64 VMs with an Alpha or VAX emulator on a multi-core x86_64 server. Cost weighting of purchase vs. running costs makes way more sense.
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On 8 Jul 2011, at 22:55, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
My alphaserver 1200 with two 5/533 cpus, 4GB memory and 8 disks internally draws 500 Watts. That's 12 kWhr each day, around 2,5 per day.
A fully loaded 4100 has 4 cpus and draws as much as 650 W (swag).
My monthly power bill is 140 / month. No way I'll run systems 24/7 ever again.
An integrity is not an option I guess.
Hans
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Not for one user I suppose - but if someone wanted to run one, I'd rent a VM off it for a reasonable share of the operating costs..
Sampsa
My alphaserver 1200 with two 5/533 cpus, 4GB memory and 8 disks internally draws 500 Watts. That's 12 kWhr each day, around 2,5 per day.
A fully loaded 4100 has 4 cpus and draws as much as 650 W (swag).
My monthly power bill is 140 / month. No way I'll run systems 24/7 ever again.
An integrity is not an option I guess.
Hans
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Realistically what would it draw, compared to say an Alphaserver 4100 with two BA365s, fully populated?
I've got some space in a rack in my machine room, with air conditioning :)
Sampsa
On 8 Jul 2011, at 22:42, Mark Benson wrote:
On 8 Jul 2011, at 21:38, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Jul 2011, at 21:33, Joe Ferraro wrote:
The rx4640 should hold four dual-core I2s (1.6GHz / 24MB L3), and should have Madison / Tukwila availability to allow one to run openVMS under HP Integrity Virtual Machines.
That'd be kinda cool, if we stuffed it full of RAM we could be provisioning little virtual VMS 8.4 IA64 boxes to people on HECNET, no? Virtual DECNET hosting :)
Good luck raising the mortgage to pa y the electric bill for running hat monster 24/7. Most data centres would kill your wallet to host something like that because of the power and heat dissipation problems vs. the tweeny little dual-core 1U rack units most web hosting companies use. :)
It's a cool idea though all the same!
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Realistically what would it draw, compared to say an Alphaserver 4100 with two BA365s, fully populated?
I've got some space in a rack in my machine room, with air conditioning :)
Sampsa
On 8 Jul 2011, at 22:42, Mark Benson wrote:
On 8 Jul 2011, at 21:38, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Jul 2011, at 21:33, Joe Ferraro wrote:
The rx4640 should hold four dual-core I2s (1.6GHz / 24MB L3), and should have Madison / Tukwila availability to allow one to run openVMS under HP Integrity Virtual Machines.
That'd be kinda cool, if we stuffed it full of RAM we could be provisioning little virtual VMS 8.4 IA64 boxes to people on HECNET, no? Virtual DECNET hosting :)
Good luck raising the mortgage to pa y the electric bill for running hat monster 24/7. Most data centres would kill your wallet to host something like that because of the power and heat dissipation problems vs. the tweeny little dual-core 1U rack units most web hosting companies use. :)
It's a cool idea though all the same!
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My Blog:
<http://markbenson.org/blog>
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