Does anyone have the Phase II DECnet that goes with RSTS V7.0? I think it calls itself DECnet/E V1.1, rather confusingly.
For that matter, are there any Phase II DECnet releases around? I know of the TOPS-20 one; any others? Ditto for Phase III.
paul
I posted this message yesterday, but for some reason people are telling me
it never went to the list.
I removed the photos I originally attached and am sending it again.
-Mark
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Sunlink DNA
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
To everyone who asked, I built TME last night on Ubuntu 18.04 on two
different systems, and installed NetBSD 1.6.2 on a sun3/160 instance.
It's working very nicely, minus networking; bear in mind that TME was
originally written to run on a NetBSD host (it's in the pkg collection),
and makes use of BPF to implement networking (I seem to remember it also
working on FreeBSD). Linux does have a bpf compatibility interface, so I'll
see if it can be made to work and follow up with you all. That said, grab
TME here: https://people.csail.mit.edu/fredette/tme/tme-0.8.tar.gz
That's the home site, there's lots of info on the emulator
https://people.csail.mit.edu/fredette/tme/
There's also this site, specifically about installing SunOS 4.1.1:
http://www.abiyo.net/retrocomputing/installingsunos41
1tosun3emulatedintme08onlinux
DON'T follow those build instructions, they're incredibly old and will get
you nowhere fast. :)
Here are my steps:
Make sure you have the gtk-2.0 and glib2.0 dev packages installed. Then...
mkdir $HOME/tme
cd $HOME/tme
tar -zxvf your_download_dir/tme-0.8.tar.gz
cd tme-0.8
vi libtme/module.c (comment out line 93 "LTDL_SET_PRELOADED_SYMBOLS();",
it's no longer needed) and save.
./configure --prefix=$HOME/tme --disable-warnings 'LIBS=-lglib-2.0
-lgtk-x11-2.0 -lX11'
export LTDL_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/tme/lib (or "setenv LTDL_LIBRARY_PATH
$HOME/tme/lib" for csh/tcsh)
make
make install
If everything built and installed without errors, you'll have the install
tree in $HOME/tme. From here you can follow the various instructions on the
original site above for installing NetBSD, etc.
If you ran into any errors either building, installing, or running, just
drop me a note, I'd be happy to help!
P.S.: I've attached some photos of it booting up!
P.P.S: You'll notice it seg fault when you exit tmesh. The original does
this too. The author even comments about how there's no "quit" command.
Regards,
Mark
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 6:35 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Mark!
>
> -Dave
>
> On 09/18/2018 08:59 PM, Mark Abene wrote:
> > Absolutely. I'll dig it out after dinner later tonight.
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com
> > <mailto:mcguire at neurotica.com>> wrote:
> >
> > On 09/18/2018 08:12 PM, Mark Abene wrote:
> > > The TME emulator works fine on Ubuntu with very minor massaging. I
> don't
> > > recall having to do anything extremely out of the ordinary.
> > > For me the fun was in emulating a Sun 3/80 I used to have. If you
> like,
> > > I can dig it up my TME install. Haven't used it in a while.
> >
> > If you can find any notes that you my have taken on what it took to
> > get it running, I'd very much appreciate that. I hacked on it for a
> bit
> > earlier this year, but ran out of time and eventually gave up.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> > --
> > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> > New Kensington, PA
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
>
John - are you running MacOS 8 in Basilink II and TSSnet on it?
Supratim
> On Sep 27, 2018, at 6:48 AM, John Dohn <xdelta at meta.ua> wrote:
>
> I've uploaded it: https://files.fm/u/buvr6w5y
> Works good, vt320 terminal emulator is perfection.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Supratim Sanyal [mailto:supratim at riseup.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:55 AM
>> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE; xdelta at meta.ua
>> Cc: Zane Healy; jhj at reagan.com; tim at sneddon.id.au
>> Subject: Re: Thursby TSSnet (was: Re: [HECnet] Sunlink DNA)
>>
>> I would like a copy of TSSnet 2.4.1 if you don?t mind.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Supratim
>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:38 AM, John Dohn <xdelta at meta.ua> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All!
>>> I have Mac TSSnet 2.4.1 package. I can upload it somewhere if anyone
>> interested in.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Jeffrey H. Johnson
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 4:09 AM
>>>> To: Zane Healy
>>>> Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE; jhj at reagan.com; tim at sneddon.id.au
>>>> Subject: Re: Thursby TSSnet (was: Re: [HECnet] Sunlink DNA)
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 24, 2018, at 8:39 PM, Zane Healy <healyzh at avanthar.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be interesting to see if anyone can at least find binaries
>>>> for the TSS DECnet product, if TSS would be willing to make a
>>>> hobbyist license available, it would be cool to play with. From a
>>>> practical standpoint, it has no commercial value at this point,
>> since
>>>> it?s pre- MacOSX.
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice, and I think they would be willing to do so, if the
>>>> packages could be found.
>>>>
>>>> Just to add, their product was highly portable - they did releases
>>>> for UNIX systems (SunOS, AIX, etc.) and other ports as well, such as
>>>> AmigaOS.
>>>>
>>>>> Oddly enough, I want to say that I bought a license for DAVE from
>>>> them, for the purpose of accessing a Samba Share on VMS. At least
>>>> that?s the only reason I can think of, at this point, why I?d have
>>>> purchased a copy. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I seem to recall that DAVE was once a popular product - or at least
>>>> highly advertised.
>>>>
>>>>> Zane
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jeffrey H. Johnson
>>>> jhj at trnsz.com
>>>> https://ban.ai/multics
>>>
>>>
> <scr20.PNG>
Was worth a try, appreciate their quick response regardless!
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Luke Lujan <luke at thursby.com>
> Date: September 28, 2018 at 1:12:20 PM EDT
> To: Supratim Sanyal <supratim at riseup.net>
> Cc: "sales at thursby.com" <sales at thursby.com>
> Subject: Re: Form submission from: Contact
>
> Hello Supratim,
>
> I apologize but we do not have anyway of providing that information.
>
> I?m sorry I can?t be of more help.
>
> Best,
> Luke Lujan
> Inside Sales Representative - Thursby Software Systems, Inc.
> luke at thursby.com | Main: +1(817) 478-5070
> GSA Schedule No: GS-35F-132AA
>
>> On Sep 28, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Supratim Sanyal <supratim at riseup.net> wrote:
>>
>> Submitted: Friday, September 28, 2018 - 12:06
>>
>> Your name: Supratim Sanyal
>> Your e-mail address: supratim at riseup.net
>> Phone: 240-483-8572
>> Subject: Looking for a License Key for TSSNet 2.4 for Macintosh System 7
>> (1992)
>> Message:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am a DEC alumnus and a DECnet Hobbyist. This is to request a license key
>> for your 1992 product "TSSnet ver 2.4" that I installed on Apple Macintosh II
>> ci running System 7.5.3 Operating system. A couple of screenshots are here:
>>
>> https://ibb.co/kJJTSU
>> https://ibb.co/nhdTSU
>>
>> Any help appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Supratim Sanyal
>> 20423 Cabana Dr
>> Germantown, MD 20876
>>
>
I was looking through an old 1986 issue of Computerworld and saw this:
https://ban.ai/~jhj/images/sun-decnet.png
I wonder - does this still exist somewhere?
I see there is plenty of documentation for Solstice X.25/Sunlink X.25 on the Oracle website, but I seem to be failing in locating any Sunlink DNA information.
--
Jeffrey H. Johnson
jhj at trnsz.comhttps://ban.ai/multics
Hi,
I've been playing with RSTS/E for a short while, particularly BASIC PLUS. I've noted that, logged into account [1,2] I can issue HELP from within BASIC and it's all fine. From a non-privileged account I created, HELP within BASIC gives me a '?Protection violation' but it seems that all the .HLP files relevant to BASIC have the correct <40> file protection. Am I missing something? Any help would be appreciated.
Regards,
Keith
I know this is somewhat off-topic - but hopefully it is something in line with most list members interests, if not I apologize.
It seems a Mr. Nathan Gregory has written a book on the history of Tymshare's Tymnet, called "A Tym Before". He has a website at https://www.chromosomequest.com/tym-before and a video presentation at https://youtu.be/1rrYQOpZ3Q0.
I've read the book myself yet so I can't put forth an opinion or a review, but it seems like it could be quite interesting. I hope it has some technical details and isn't all just corporate history. The presentation was a bit underwhelming for me, having extensively "researched" this network in the past, but still quite informative.
On a tangent - Since MAME has SPARCstation support working now (https://forums.bannister.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=44666&page=…), I wonder how difficult it would be to bring up Sunlink X.25 / Solstice X.25)?
--
Jeffrey H. Johnson
jhj at trnsz.comhttps://ban.ai/multics
Hi all,
The RSTS/E business reminded me. I went to the Living Computers Museum last week and it was almost a bit of an emotional experience.
A few things in no particular order:
They appear to have a VAX 6000-400 sitting next to the 785 so I assume that's about to be restored to working order.
There are so many Intel boxes and FPGA-realised interfaces around supplying 'virtual' discs to a number of systems. It's really sad that the number of functional real discs such as RAs, RPs, etc. appears to be decreasing rapidly over time. Bruce said that for one restoration project, they started out with 9 functional RP07s. By the time they'd completed the project, only 2 remained functional.
I didn't ask about HECnet though the elapsed time in discussion about, well, everything else I could think to ask, was over 2 hours.
I played a lot of spacewar/star trek on a TRS-80 Model II (I used to have one) and an IMSAI 8080, probably an Altair original too. Apple ][, e possibly, was as clunky as I remember and how on earth did we ever cope with CRTs? That Osbourne luggable 'portable' was... amazing... CP/M - I'd almost forgotten.
I went into their sorting out room - stacks of disc drives, Commodore 64s, TI something-or-others, calculators (some of the HP RPN favourites I had growing up too). I nearly cried when I saw what looked like an HP 85 computer sticking out from high up on the shelves - I'm sorry I ever sold mine on, doubly sorry that I didn't snap up a refurbished one with QIC-tape replacement on Ebay a few years ago.
I do have some pictures... I'll sort them out.
Keith
Time for a new release announcement of TCP/IP for RSX-11M-PLUS.
Highlights:
- One bugfix in TCP, along with some new parameters to increase
flexibility and potentially performance.
- HTTPD can serve multiple hosts with different content from one machine
by use of virtual hosts.
- Lots of added functionality and features in MAIL.
Detailed information on things that have been done since the last release:
TCP:
- Bugfix in TCP. In a special case, a write on a socket could hang
forever on a closed socket.
- Improve TCP to not set PUSH on packets when we send FIN. Some hosts
and firewalls can dislike if PUSH and FIN are both set on packets, and
since FIN already implies that the stream is ending and whatever has
been received should be passed on to application at the receiving end
anyway, a PUSH is not really needed in that situation.
- Improved TCP RTT calculation.
IFCONFIG:
- Added SET TCP MINIMUM TRANSMIT TIMEOUT and TCP TIMEOUT WAIT commands.
FTP/FTPD:
- Added zeroing out partial last block when ftp in block or RSX mode.
HTTPD:
- Added virtual host capabilities to HTTPD.
MAIL:
- Added FLAG/UNFLAG command
- Added PREVIOUS command
- Added /HEADER switch to read
- Improved MAILD when running under virtual terminal (improved
interaction with PHONE)
- Added figuring out which user MAIL is running as when no accounting
exists for terminal
- Added handling of CC recipients in MAIL.
- Improved documentation.
- Improved notification processing.
- Added OS version information to MAIL.
- Added detection of DECMAIL11/RSX, DECUSMAIL/RSX and DECMAIL11/RSTS
RMD:
- Added exit ast handler to RMD.
SPOOF:
- Improve spoof notification handling.
- Changed spoof notification methods.
As usual, the distribution is available from:
ftp://mim.update.uu.se/bqtcp.dsk
ftp://mim.update.uu.se/bqtcp.tap
ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/pdp11/rsx/tcpip/tcpip.dsk
The documentation is also available through ftp on Mim, or also at
http://mim.update.uu.se/tcpipdoc
I hope people find this update useful. While there are no really
critical issues that have been solved, I still recommend people to
update, since this new version do contain improvements that are
beneficial and as far as I know there are no issues or problems updating
to this newest version.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
