On 13-7-2011 13:05, Sampsa Laine wrote:
The RS/6000 is just a AIX / random Unix box, whereas the AS/400 is WEIRD.
Personally speaking, I never cared much for AIX myself. IBM also entered the UNIX
market relatively late (compared to SGI, HP, DEC and so on).
As for the AS/400 platform, now that's an interesting operating system (I usually
log onto RZKh.de for that) and the type of system that IBM traditionally peddled.
(A bit like what VMS, RT-11, RSX, etc. were to DEC, later Compaq and HP now.)
I wouldn't mind having an AS/400 either, it'd make a nice DB2 test environment.
Especially those physically smaller systems, like the 9401-P03 with the original
CISC processor (before "System i" and what-not, or whatever IBM calls it today).
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/31231773 at N02/4468965124/
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/31231773 at N02/4468966604/
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/31231773 at N02/4468967646/
(The above pictures are of/by the proprietor of IPv7.net, who's also a 'partaker'
in HECnet.)
- MG
Mark,
I'm not sure if it is the version you are looking for:
Take a look at wopr:: (or) telnet://wopr.adelphos.org
login with games / games - I believe it is option G on the menu...
If it is the version you seek, I can send it to you...
Joe
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
Is this a creation from one of us? He is hosting the DECUS and Freeware archive - I'm wondering if it's possible to get a copy for HECnet.
I've not quite got my head round how to search for stuff in the decus archives. I was trying to find Classic Empire for VAX/VMS which apparently was ported by DECUS, but the link from the http://www.classicempire.com/ website is now throwing an error: http://www.decus.org/libcatalog/description_html/v00012.html
Cheers, Mark.
Does the emulator come with an OS?
What I actually mean is: it available for hobbyists?
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Yes, 60 bits one's complement, oddball floating point format, 12 bit one's complement I/O processors...
Your memory is quite good. That's just how it works, in all the various OSs I know.
BTW, there exists an emulator -- DtCyber ("Desktop Cyber").
paul
On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:08 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
A CDC 6000 no less, that's a 60 bit architecture right?
SCOPE (?) is somewhat arcane though. I remember entering an Algol program and then compiled it. Somebody asked a question and having forgotten what I'd done, tried to compile again. The OS said:
No such file or at end of file.
The user had to type the REWIND command. The compiler could then read the sourcefile again :-)
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On Jul 13, 2011, at 9:39 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Ah, so that's your specification for an interesting system: weird with DECnet :-)
Apart from the DECnet requirement, if you want weird I don't think you can top a CDC 6000 series machine. The size can be a bit problematic, I suppose.
My dream (about 10% complete) is to build a replica in an FPGA. I have the schematics to do it, it's just a whole lot of work...
paul
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Yes, 60 bits one's complement, oddball floating point format, 12 bit one's complement I/O processors...
Your memory is quite good. That's just how it works, in all the various OSs I know.
BTW, there exists an emulator -- DtCyber ("Desktop Cyber").
paul
On Jul 13, 2011, at 11:08 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
A CDC 6000 no less, that's a 60 bit architecture right?
SCOPE (?) is somewhat arcane though. I remember entering an Algol program and then compiled it. Somebody asked a question and having forgotten what I'd done, tried to compile again. The OS said:
No such file or at end of file.
The user had to type the REWIND command. The compiler could then read the sourcefile again :-)
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Verzonden: 13 juli 2011 16:52
On Jul 13, 2011, at 9:39 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Ah, so that's your specification for an interesting system: weird with DECnet :-)
Apart from the DECnet requirement, if you want weird I don't think you can top a CDC 6000 series machine. The size can be a bit problematic, I suppose.
My dream (about 10% complete) is to build a replica in an FPGA. I have the schematics to do it, it's just a whole lot of work...
paul
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A CDC 6000 no less, that's a 60 bit architecture right?
SCOPE (?) is somewhat arcane though. I remember entering an Algol program and then compiled it. Somebody asked a question and having forgotten what I'd done, tried to compile again. The OS said:
No such file or at end of file.
The user had to type the REWIND command. The compiler could then read the sourcefile again :-)
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Towards the Mouth of Madness....
Verzonden: 13 juli 2011 16:52
On Jul 13, 2011, at 9:39 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Ah, so that's your specification for an interesting system: weird with DECnet :-)
Apart from the DECnet requirement, if you want weird I don't think you can top a CDC 6000 series machine. The size can be a bit problematic, I suppose.
My dream (about 10% complete) is to build a replica in an FPGA. I have the schematics to do it, it's just a whole lot of work...
paul
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On Jul 13, 2011, at 9:39 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Ah, so that's your specification for an interesting system: weird with DECnet :-)
Apart from the DECnet requirement, if you want weird I don't think you can top a CDC 6000 series machine. The size can be a bit problematic, I suppose.
My dream (about 10% complete) is to build a replica in an FPGA. I have the schematics to do it, it's just a whole lot of work...
paul
On 13 Jul 2011, at 15:00, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
AIX / random Unix box, whereas the AS/400 is WEIRD.
I like weird.
Technically AIX isn't just a "random unix box" it's weird with a POSIX layer on top. :-D
Definitely not as weird as an AS/400 though
Depends how you look at it. Some RS/6000 gear is weird hardware wise and AIX is certainly interesting as UNIX systems go (in the Chinese sense mostly). It's more sort if interspersed layers of IBM weirdness and UNIX compliance sorta knitted into a funky tank top ;)
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On 7/12/2011 4:04 PM, Mark Benson wrote:
It wasn't until 95 with Microsoft including TCP/IP into the consumer OS did it really start to matter.
Yes I do remember the days when Windows 3.11 had Winsock to provide a separate TCP stack. We used it and SLIP to dial up to our ISP back then. We had to keep a Windows 3.1 box on the modem for quite a while until we worked out how to build SLIP dialup scripts for Windows 95.
Sometimes I swear I was born 10 years too late :(
When I first started working at PSU our PC lab was a bunch of IBM PS/2 machines connected to Token Ring running DOS and the TCP/IP shim stuff. It was weird and a giant pain in the ass to say the least.
The Unix/DEC hardware was sooooooooooo much easier to manage. :-D
-brian
On 7/12/2011 5:38 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
On Jul 12, 2011, at 5:29 PM,<hvlems at zonnet.nl> <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
It took HP until 2006 to replace the FDDI lan with ethernet technolgy. The fault tolerance of FDDI and the build quality of DEC's gigaswitch products.
The bandwidth of FDDI is a lot better than fast ethernet.
Not true, not unless the implementation is crummy. Any halfway decent fast Ethernet host will run at wire speed, and the difference between 1500 and 4460 MTU isn't enough to amount to very much.
Except for the fact that on ethernet you took the framing hit to your speed (100Mbps link level) and with FDDI the framing was done outside of your "speed" (125Mbps link level, true 100Mbps data).
-brian
On 7/13/2011 7:05 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 12 Jul 2011, at 21:34, Mark Benson wrote:
Don't buy an AS400. Buy an RS/6000 - you can pick up a decent one for anywhere between 50GBP and 5000 GBP :D
The RS/6000 is just a AIX / random Unix box, whereas the AS/400 is WEIRD.
I like weird.
Technically AIX isn't just a "random unix box" it's weird with a POSIX layer on top. :-D
Definitely not as weird as an AS/400 though.
-brian
