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by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Remember what I wrote: this happened nearly two decades ago. IP is the protocol that survived and most people aren t even aware what happened on local area networks before, say,1998. I worked for Fuji, photosensitive films, paper and offset printing products. Most of the IT equipment was made by DEC: PDP-11 s (/44, /84, /93, /24, /73 and /23), VAXes, an IBM mainframe (4081) and PC s. And lots of other gear, most of it in the research lab. A Motorola box that ran Motorola Unix, and an RS/6000 under AIX 2.4 (?). The lingua franca was DECnet and LAT. No IP, though some PC s used Novell and SNA over tokenring to make terminal emulation to the mainframe possible. No IP. Sounds weird in today s world but DECnet eventually connected everything. We got a *very* early Cisco router that did level 1 DECnet routing between the corporate ethernet and the finance dept token ring. Another (DEC) box that routed DECnet over Datanet/1 (that s X25 in Europe IIRC). The mainframe used an SNA/DECnet gateway (the big channel attached box). The RS/6000 and the Motorola systems also ran DECnet, endnode only. To make this a little interesting we ran the first FDDI network in the Netherlands. Trouble shooting wasn t always easy, especially if the SNA/DECnet gateway was involved! Hans Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Jason Stevens Verzonden: dinsdag, juli 2011 21:10 Aan: hecnet at update.uu.se Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Towards the Mouth of Madness.... AIX and decnet? now that'd be ... non conformist & fun! Geen virus gevonden in dit bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 10.0.1388 / Virusdatabase: 1516/3760 - datum van uitgifte: 07/12/11

13 years, 9 months

Towards the Mouth of Madness....

by neozeed＠gmail.com

The multimonitor thing for DOOM was pretty sweet.... And it'd let you look around corners. If you had a room full of 486's it was the neatest thing ever! On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote: On 12 Jul 2011, at 20:40, Jason Stevens wrote: > Oddly enough our VAX's actually had some netware thing. I wish I'd managed to make copies of the tapes, but we did have Netware for VAX/VMS. IT's probably for the better that you didn't. Being a bit on the young side I was doing LANs just as IPX/SPX and NetWare and suchlike were fading away. I remember setting up an IPX network to play DooM - my first ever LAN game wit ha friend of mine - and all the contact I had with Netware via education services etc was pretty nasty and proved to hurt more than it helped anything, but I was too young to understand bigger pictures at the time. > It wasn't until 95 with Microsoft including TCP/IP into the consumer OS did it really start to matter. Yes I do remember the days when Windows 3.11 had Winsock to provide a separate TCP stack. We used it and SLIP to dial up to our ISP back then. We had to keep a Windows 3.1 box on the modem for quite a while until we worked out how to build SLIP dialup scripts for Windows 95. Sometimes I swear I was born 10 years too late :( -- Mark Benson My Blog: <http://markbenson.org/blog> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/mdbenson "Never send a human to do a machine's job..."

13 years, 9 months

Towards the Mouth of Madness....

by fcoffey＠gmail.com

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Sampsa Laine wrote: So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400. Hi Sampsa, If you do in fact acquire an AS/400, I'd love to have an account to play around with. That's one system I've never really much used. And yes I do have a 5250 emulator available. :) Fred

13 years, 9 months

Towards the Mouth of Madness....

by md.benson＠gmail.com

On 12 Jul 2011, at 20:40, Jason Stevens wrote: Oddly enough our VAX's actually had some netware thing. I wish I'd managed to make copies of the tapes, but we did have Netware for VAX/VMS. IT's probably for the better that you didn't. Being a bit on the young side I was doing LANs just as IPX/SPX and NetWare and suchlike were fading away. I remember setting up an IPX network to play DooM - my first ever LAN game wit ha friend of mine - and all the contact I had with Netware via education services etc was pretty nasty and proved to hurt more than it helped anything, but I was too young to understand bigger pictures at the time. It wasn't until 95 with Microsoft including TCP/IP into the consumer OS did it really start to matter. Yes I do remember the days when Windows 3.11 had Winsock to provide a separate TCP stack. We used it and SLIP to dial up to our ISP back then. We had to keep a Windows 3.1 box on the modem for quite a while until we worked out how to build SLIP dialup scripts for Windows 95. Sometimes I swear I was born 10 years too late :( -- Mark Benson My Blog: <http://markbenson.org/blog> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/mdbenson "Never send a human to do a machine's job..."

13 years, 9 months

RS/6000 on HECNet? (Was: Towards the Mouth of Madness...)

by md.benson＠gmail.com

On 12 Jul 2011, at 19:19, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: You must have been dying of boredom to start a hobby like that :-) To stay on topic (somewhat): why no RS/6000 under AIX? That platform can run DECnet at least. It can? Oh I may have a third HECNet candidate :) I have a very nice RS/6000 7046-B50 that only pulls 75W. The Addition of one of those shiny new 73GB Seagate SCA drives I got has made it inot a really nice box. It's no louder than the zx6000 either and has a framebuffer (only does 1024x768 8-bit but it's a framebuffer) too so it's a really nice all-round box. I'm running AIX 5L - do tell if I can DECNet that, I have 4.3.3 too if I need to fall back a version. -- Mark Benson My Blog: <http://markbenson.org/blog> Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/mdbenson "Never send a human to do a machine's job..."

13 years, 9 months

Towards the Mouth of Madness....

by neozeed＠gmail.com

I guess I got in at the end of the Netware years (Yeah I know governments still use) and I did live through the entire Ethernet, EthernetII, 802.2, 802.3 fiasco's (lol so much for standard....) All the stuff we had midrange did speak IPX/SPX, from the NeXT to the RS/6000's and PC's.... Oddly enough our VAX's actually had some netware thing. I wish I'd managed to make copies of the tapes, but we did have Netware for VAX/VMS. For our mainframe access we used Novell's SAA gateway which... was terrible, when Microsoft shipped SNA server 2.1 (was there a 1.0?!) we RAN to that... And used it over IPX/SXP with people even using dialup shiva's! It wasn't until 95 with Microsoft including TCP/IP into the consumer OS did it really start to matter. Well from my POV anyways. On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:27 PM, H Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Remember what I wrote: this happened nearly two decades ago. IP is the protocol that survived and most people aren t even aware what happened on local area networks before, say,1998. I worked for Fuji, photosensitive films, paper and offset printing products. Most of the IT equipment was made by DEC: PDP-11 s (/44, /84, /93, /24, /73 and /23), VAXes, an IBM mainframe (4081) and PC s. And lots of other gear, most of it in the research lab. A Motorola box that ran Motorola Unix, and an RS/6000 under AIX 2.4 (?). The lingua franca was DECnet and LAT. No IP, though some PC s used Novell and SNA over tokenring to make terminal emulation to the mainframe possible. No IP. Sounds weird in today s world but DECnet eventually connected everything. We got a *very* early Cisco router that did level 1 DECnet routing between the corporate ethernet and the finance dept token ring. Another (DEC) box that routed DECnet over Datanet/1 (that s X25 in Europe IIRC). The mainframe used an SNA/DECnet gateway (the big channel attached box). The RS/6000 and the Motorola systems also ran DECnet, endnode only. To make this a little interesting we ran the first FDDI network in the Netherlands. Trouble shooting wasn t always easy, especially if the SNA/DECnet gateway was involved! Hans Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens Jason Stevens Verzonden: dinsdag, juli 2011 21:10 Aan: hecnet at update.uu.se Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Towards the Mouth of Madness.... AIX and decnet? now that'd be ... non conformist & fun! Geen virus gevonden in dit bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 10.0.1388 / Virusdatabase: 1516/3760 - datum van uitgifte: 07/12/11

13 years, 9 months

Towards the Mouth of Madness....

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

I think they call that 'interesting times' ;) On 12/07/11 21:27, H Vlems wrote: Remember what I wrote: this happened nearly two decades ago. IP is the protocol that survived and most people aren t even aware what happened on local area networks before, say,1998. I worked for Fuji, photosensitive films, paper and offset printing products. Most of the IT equipment was made by DEC: PDP-11 s (/44, /84, /93, /24, /73 and /23), VAXes, an IBM mainframe (4081) and PC s. And lots of other gear, most of it in the research lab. A Motorola box that ran Motorola Unix, and an RS/6000 under AIX 2.4 (?). The lingua franca was DECnet and LAT. No IP, though some PC s used Novell and SNA over tokenring to make terminal emulation to the mainframe possible. No IP. Sounds weird in today s world but DECnet eventually connected everything. We got a *very* early Cisco router that did level 1 DECnet routing between the corporate ethernet and the finance dept token ring. Another (DEC) box that routed DECnet over Datanet/1 (that s X25 in Europe IIRC). The mainframe used an SNA/DECnet gateway (the big channel attached box). The RS/6000 and the Motorola systems also ran DECnet, endnode only. To make this a little interesting we ran the first FDDI network in the Netherlands. Trouble shooting wasn t always easy, especially if the SNA/DECnet gateway was involved! Hans

13 years, 9 months

Towards the Mouth of Madness....

by neozeed＠gmail.com

AIX and decnet? now that'd be ... non conformist & fun!

13 years, 9 months

Towards the Mouth of Madness....

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

It used to, at least around 1995 or so. I Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel -----Original Message----- From: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:32:44 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Towards the Mouth of Madness.... Oh AIX can run DECNET? I might be able to procure one.. Sampsa On 12 Jul 2011, at 19:19, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: You must have been dying of boredom to start a hobby like that :-) To stay on topic (somewhat): why no RS/6000 under AIX? That platform can run DECnet at least. I'm not so sure about the AS/400, only had to deal with it once so far. IP, not a DECnet problem IIRC. Hans Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel -----Original Message----- From: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:00:59 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: [HECnet] Towards the Mouth of Madness.... So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400. How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up? Sampsa

13 years, 9 months

Towards the Mouth of Madness....

by sampsa＠mac.com

Oh AIX can run DECNET? I might be able to procure one.. Sampsa On 12 Jul 2011, at 19:19, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: You must have been dying of boredom to start a hobby like that :-) To stay on topic (somewhat): why no RS/6000 under AIX? That platform can run DECnet at least. I'm not so sure about the AS/400, only had to deal with it once so far. IP, not a DECnet problem IIRC. Hans Verzonden vanaf mijn draadloze BlackBerry -toestel -----Original Message----- From: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:00:59 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: [HECnet] Towards the Mouth of Madness.... So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400. How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up? Sampsa

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