I think they call that 'interesting times' ;)
On 12/07/11 21:27, H Vlems wrote:
Remember what I wrote: this happened nearly two decades ago.
IP is the protocol that survived and most people aren t even aware what happened on local area networks before, say,1998.
I worked for Fuji, photosensitive films, paper and offset printing products.
Most of the IT equipment was made by DEC: PDP-11 s (/44, /84, /93, /24, /73 and /23), VAXes, an IBM mainframe (4081) and PC s.
And lots of other gear, most of it in the research lab. A Motorola box that ran Motorola Unix, and an RS/6000 under AIX 2.4 (?).
The lingua franca was DECnet and LAT. No IP, though some PC s used Novell and SNA over tokenring to make terminal emulation to the mainframe possible.
No IP. Sounds weird in today s world but DECnet eventually connected everything. We got a *very* early Cisco router that did level 1
DECnet routing between the corporate ethernet and the finance dept token ring. Another (DEC) box that routed DECnet over Datanet/1 (that s X25 in Europe IIRC). The mainframe used an SNA/DECnet gateway (the big channel attached box).
The RS/6000 and the Motorola systems also ran DECnet, endnode only.
To make this a little interesting we ran the first FDDI network in the Netherlands.
Trouble shooting wasn t always easy, especially if the SNA/DECnet gateway was involved!
Hans
It used to, at least around 1995 or so.
I
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Oh AIX can run DECNET?
I might be able to procure one..
Sampsa
On 12 Jul 2011, at 19:19, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You must have been dying of boredom to start a hobby like that :-)
To stay on topic (somewhat): why no RS/6000 under AIX? That platform can run DECnet at least.
I'm not so sure about the AS/400, only had to deal with it once so far. IP, not a DECnet problem IIRC.
Hans
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So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400.
How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up?
Sampsa
Oh AIX can run DECNET?
I might be able to procure one..
Sampsa
On 12 Jul 2011, at 19:19, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
You must have been dying of boredom to start a hobby like that :-)
To stay on topic (somewhat): why no RS/6000 under AIX? That platform can run DECnet at least.
I'm not so sure about the AS/400, only had to deal with it once so far. IP, not a DECnet problem IIRC.
Hans
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So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400.
How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up?
Sampsa
You must have been dying of boredom to start a hobby like that :-)
To stay on topic (somewhat): why no RS/6000 under AIX? That platform can run DECnet at least.
I'm not so sure about the AS/400, only had to deal with it once so far. IP, not a DECnet problem IIRC.
Hans
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So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400.
How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up?
Sampsa
Sampsa,
I acquired an AS/400 box a few years ago. It is about the size of half a "standard" refrigerator and was at least a two-man lift (fortunately, I was able to roll it). I've been trying to obtain a demo copy of the OS with no luck. I'm fairly certain one may be better off trying to emulate the hardware (I was able to do this with either OS/390 or Z on a mainframe emulator several years ago). Still no luck in the AS/400 space ...
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400.
How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up?
Sampsa
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400.
How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up?
Sampsa
Hello!
Strangely enough the IBM website should still have information on
them. As for buying one, I suspect there's a good used equipment
broker where you are based.
For my part I was interested in the one that's about the size of a
hardcover book with the PCMCIA interface to the host.
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So with my long, non-billing Sunday afternoons giving me ideas, I've started to ponder procuring a midrange IBM box, say an AS/400.
How much do these things cost (like say a 93 vintage), weigh and dissipate heat? Also, how do you hook them up?
Sampsa
I've been reprogramming a DECserver 90M, and using it to connect to fafner.dyndns.org which is a mighty fine VAX and nicely configured with my kind of software.
Using someone else's machine that is running 24/7 as opposed to your own suddenly feels like you are doing the world a favor by sharing resources, rather than running a machine yourself.
Mind, having said that, the AS1000A+BA356 in the basement needs turning off...
Still, I do like the hum of RHESUS and CHIMPY in the machine room, there's just something so geektastic about all those blinking lights and noises.
So I'm killing the planet, big whoop..
Sampsa
On 08/07/11 23:25, Mark Benson wrote:
On 8 Jul 2011, at 22:44, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Realistically what would it draw, compared to say an Alphaserver 4100 with two BA365s, fully populated?
I've got some space in a rack in my machine room, with air conditioning :)
I'm not sure about the AlphaServer, but A rx6000 with 2 Itanium 2 single core units draws 340-370 Watts and kicks out monster amounts of heat for a 2U.
If you want to effectively virtualise OpenVMS you'd be way better off running small x86_64 VMs with an Alpha or VAX emulator on a multi-core x86_64 server. Cost weighting of purchase vs. running costs makes way more sense.
I've been reprogramming a DECserver 90M, and using it to connect to fafner.dyndns.org which is a mighty fine VAX and nicely configured with my kind of software.
Using someone else's machine that is running 24/7 as opposed to your own suddenly feels like you are doing the world a favor by sharing resources, rather than running a machine yourself.
Mind, having said that, the AS1000A+BA356 in the basement needs turning off...
Regards, Mark.
