Hear hear, well put indeed :)
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From: Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com>
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Ah, so that's your specification for an interesting system: weird with DECnet :-)
The AS/400 is a nice choice then . 48 bit architecture, was supposed to replace the S/38 (it's code compatible with it) and be a VAX killer at the same time.
Which obviously didn't work since every home has a VAX now as Johnny tells us repeatedly (or did I get something wrong ;-)
Anyway, I've configured the IP stack on one of them, 10 years ago and what I remember is this.
It follows the IBM way of doing things : nearly everything is menu driven. A system manager hardly ever types commands, he just fills in forms. The result ends up in a file which gets compiled or assembled with a bunch of others. AIX has something similar called SMIT (if my memry serves me well).
Well, I prefer to type my own commands and DCL scripts.
I'd like to get a small Unisys (n e Burroughs) A4 though.
Hans
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From: Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com>
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On 12 Jul 2011, at 21:34, Mark Benson wrote:
Don't buy an AS400. Buy an RS/6000 - you can pick up a decent one for anywhere between 50GBP and 5000 GBP :D
The RS/6000 is just a AIX / random Unix box, whereas the AS/400 is WEIRD.
I like weird.
Sampsa
On 2011-07-13 02.44, MG wrote:
On 12-7-2011 23:44, Johnny Billquist wrote:
So, yes, there are people around... Like I said - not everyone on this
list is even running a VMS system...
Johnny
What do you mean by that?
Just that the discussions lately seems to have started assuming that everyone is running VMS. :-)
But I know that most people know that this is not true. I just felt like pointing it out. Not trying to offend anyone.
Johnny
Joe, have a look at the simh site: there used to be a collection of tape images for TOPS 10 and 20.
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From: Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:33:36 -0400
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Thanks guys... also checking out alt.sys.pdp10 - I'd gotten tapes at work a while back, then started messing with the Panda distribution. I may just try to bring it up from tape and try my luck once again.
Thanks again!
Joe
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
<Pray tell - who owns area 59? Sampsa?
Peter Lothberg
Bob Armstrong
On 2011-07-13 01:14, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Pray tell - who owns area 59? Sampsa?
Nope. The information can be found at MIM::US:[DECNET], but I can tell you it is someone called Peter L thberg. Don't know if you know about him, though. But he knows pretty much all there is to know about PDP-10s.
On 12-7-2011 23:44, Johnny Billquist wrote:
So, yes, there are people around... Like I said - not everyone on this list is even running a VMS system...
Johnny
What do you mean by that?
- MG
Thanks guys... also checking out alt.sys.pdp10 - I'd gotten tapes at work a while back, then started messing with the Panda distribution. I may just try to bring it up from tape and try my luck once again.
Thanks again!
Joe
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
<Pray tell - who owns area 59? Sampsa?
Peter Lothberg
Bob Armstrong
On 2011-07-13 01:14, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Pray tell - who owns area 59? Sampsa?
Nope. The information can be found at MIM::US:[DECNET], but I can tell you it is someone called Peter L thberg. Don't know if you know about him, though. But he knows pretty much all there is to know about PDP-10s.
On 2011-07-13 01:14, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Pray tell - who owns area 59? Sampsa?
Nope. The information can be found at MIM::US:[DECNET], but I can tell you it is someone called Peter L thberg. Don't know if you know about him, though. But he knows pretty much all there is to know about PDP-10s.
Johnny
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
On 2011-07-12 23:14, Joe Ferraro wrote:
While we are on the topic, does anyone have any experience with
TOPS-20
/ DECNET? I've haven't had time to mess with it of late, but I was
unsuccessful in a previous evening's attempt or two.
Well, doh...! :-)
.ncp tell sol sho exec cha
Node characteristics as of 12-JUL-11 23:38:44
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = Systems Concepts SF CA USA - SC30M - DN-20 4.0,
Management v
ersion = 4.0.0
Loop count = 1, Loop length = 127
Loop with = Mixed, Incoming timer = 30
Outgoing timer = 60, NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 65535, Delay factor = 48
Delay weight = 10
Inactivity timer = 120, Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Routing IV
Routing timer = 600
Broadcast routing timer = 40, Maximum address = 1023
Maximum circuits = 20
Maximum cost = 100
Maximum hops = 16, Maximum visits = 20
Maximum broadcast endnodes = 64
Maximum broadcast routers = 32
Maximum buffers = 80, Buffer size = 576
Segment buffer size = 576
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Pray tell - who owns area 59? Sampsa?
On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2011-07-12 23:14, Joe Ferraro wrote:
While we are on the topic, does anyone have any experience with TOPS-20
/ DECNET? I've haven't had time to mess with it of late, but I was
unsuccessful in a previous evening's attempt or two.
Well, doh...! :-)
.ncp tell sol sho exec cha
Node characteristics as of 12-JUL-11 23:38:44
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = Systems Concepts SF CA USA - SC30M - DN-20 4.0, Management v
ersion = 4.0.0
Loop count = 1, Loop length = 127
Loop with = Mixed, Incoming timer = 30
Outgoing timer = 60, NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 65535, Delay factor = 48
Delay weight = 10
Inactivity timer = 120, Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Routing IV
Routing timer = 600
Broadcast routing timer = 40, Maximum address = 1023
Maximum circuits = 20
Maximum cost = 100
Maximum hops = 16, Maximum visits = 20
Maximum broadcast endnodes = 64
Maximum broadcast routers = 32
Maximum buffers = 80, Buffer size = 576
Segment buffer size = 576
Well, I had written that I considered 100VG a joke but decided not to send that :-). But - agree with you on that.
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Verzonden: 12 juli 2011 23:49
You're right, FDDI predated 100BaseT by a little. Not by a whole lot.
100BaseVG was always a joke.
paul
On Jul 12, 2011, at 5:44 PM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Paul. In 1991 there was no fast ethernet as we know it today. Ethernet over glassfiber was proprietary and by and large restricted to 10 Mb/s.
The problems with the redesign had tot do with emulating FDDI's built in redundancy with ethernet.
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On Jul 12, 2011, at 5:29 PM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
It took HP until 2006 to replace the FDDI lan with ethernet technolgy. The fault tolerance of FDDI and the build quality of DEC's gigaswitch products.
The bandwidth of FDDI is a lot better than fast ethernet.
Not true, not unless the implementation is crummy. Any halfway decent fast Ethernet host will run at wire speed, and the difference between 1500 and 4460 MTU isn't enough to amount to very much.
paul
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