On 8 Jul 2011, at 10:13, Mark Wickens wrote:
I dunno, I got to sleep for a few hours and all this activity happens, close to my heart ;)
You should get up earlier, I only posted that this morning :P
RE: keyboards, yeah, those trap exceptions sure are helpful messages. WTF!
I also get a couple of trap exceptions associated with the VMS-not-booting because-it-hates-my-graphical-console issue too. It's not so much the trap messages, it's the noise the machine makes sometimes. Sounds like it's in it's death-throws! It's only a keyboard error, calm down! :)
It was the first problem I had with my ZX6000, and it would have convinced me the machine was a dudd, had it not been for a single post on t'internet about the keyboard being wrong.
I must have fluked with the Belkin USB adapter and it worked fine from the get-go. It was only when I plugged the input into the wrong port (I think) it spat it's dummy out. When switched to the USB KVM I discovered it was prone to spitting it's dummy out on any occasion of not having the right keyboard. Testing has shown it's rather fussy, so yeah.
I bought a bog-standard HP keyboard after that, which works fine, and I also ended up getting an LK464, which is nice ;)
By 'Bog Standard' do you mean any old HP consumer PC keyboard? might try my Logitech keyboard attached directly to it (not practical long term as it's my USB KVM keyboard on a USB KVM that's also very picky about keyboards, especially Apple ones!)
Not tried with KVMs, but am 100% sure that milage will vary considerably.
Yes. I am sure it will too. KVMs vary wildly. I have a 4-port Startech PS/2+VGA KVM that works flawlessly on SGIs but hates my Belklin PS/2 to USB adapters. I have a Compaq PS/2+VGA KVM that hates SGIs bourt works fine with the Belkin USB adapters, and I have a Startech DVI+USB KVM that works fine with a Logitech Keyboard and Mouse but the USB kept disconnecting when I use a Microsoft Mouse and Apple Keyboard. Ahh... aren't 'standards' great ;)
Anyhoo - it seems to tolerate the Belkin USB KVM adapter for now so I'll go with that.
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On 08/07/11 09:34, Mark Benson wrote:
Something else I've noticed is it's REALLY picky about keyboards and KVMs. I currently have it hooked up to to a Compaq KVM via a Belkin PS/2 to USB adapter and that seems to work okay. It starts up fine and booted into Debian and such okay (although Xorg didn't work but I blame that squarely on Xorg mis-detecting graphics card).
I hooked it up to my DVI/USB KVM and it freaked out on boot stopping and listing a couple of trap exceptions. It won't even get into EFI. I don't have a console hooked to the serial so I dunno if it's just disabling the video console due to the lack of keyboard (not detected or faulting) and falling back to serial - a lot of workstations do that. Unplug the USB and it POSTs fine and loads the book menu so I somewhat suspect it's not.
I also tried an Apple USB keyboard (I know I shouldn't let Apple stuff near real computers :P) and it did the same freaking out during POST thing.
anyone know why this is - is it just picky or am I missing a trick somewhere.
Woha!
I dunno, I got to sleep for a few hours and all this activity happens, close to my heart ;)
RE: keyboards, yeah, those trap exceptions sure are helpful messages. WTF!
It was the first problem I had with my ZX6000, and it would have convinced me the machine was a dudd, had it not been for a single post on t'internet about the keyboard being wrong.
I bought a bog-standard HP keyboard after that, which works fine, and I also ended up getting an LK464, which is nice ;)
Not tried with KVMs, but am 100% sure that milage will vary considerably.
Mark.
My Newstar 4 port KVM switch (PS/2) also shows weird behaviour. It works flawlessly with 4 pc's attached (regular Compaq branded pc's). With alpha's attached, especially a Multia an alphaserver 1000A or two or more as1200's then the mouse freezes after 15 to 20 minutes and a little later the keyboard gets into autorepeat mode.
Attaching an external power supply to the Newstar didn't solve the problem.
No idea what causes this behaviour.
Hans
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Something else I've noticed is it's REALLY picky about keyboards and KVMs. I currently have it hooked up to to a Compaq KVM via a Belkin PS/2 to USB adapter and that seems to work okay. It starts up fine and booted into Debian and such okay (although Xorg didn't work but I blame that squarely on Xorg mis-detecting graphics card).
I hooked it up to my DVI/USB KVM and it freaked out on boot stopping and listing a couple of trap exceptions. It won't even get into EFI. I don't have a console hooked to the serial so I dunno if it's just disabling the video console due to the lack of keyboard (not detected or faulting) and falling back to serial - a lot of workstations do that. Unplug the USB and it POSTs fine and loads the book menu so I somewhat suspect it's not.
I also tried an Apple USB keyboard (I know I shouldn't let Apple stuff near real computers :P) and it did the same freaking out during POST thing.
anyone know why this is - is it just picky or am I missing a trick somewhere.
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On 8 Jul 2011, at 09:33, MG wrote:
On 8-7-2011 2:14, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Apropos SANs: Has anyone played with the iSCSI initiator in 8.4? That
could be a pretty killer feature for me, I'm sure for others too.
For some reason, HP removed iSCSI from V8.4. V8.3-1H1 is the last to support it,
don't ask me why... (I read about it on the "Deathrow" DEC Notes recently.)
What??!
*facepalm*
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Something else I've noticed is it's REALLY picky about keyboards and KVMs. I currently have it hooked up to to a Compaq KVM via a Belkin PS/2 to USB adapter and that seems to work okay. It starts up fine and booted into Debian and such okay (although Xorg didn't work but I blame that squarely on Xorg mis-detecting graphics card).
I hooked it up to my DVI/USB KVM and it freaked out on boot stopping and listing a couple of trap exceptions. It won't even get into EFI. I don't have a console hooked to the serial so I dunno if it's just disabling the video console due to the lack of keyboard (not detected or faulting) and falling back to serial - a lot of workstations do that. Unplug the USB and it POSTs fine and loads the book menu so I somewhat suspect it's not.
I also tried an Apple USB keyboard (I know I shouldn't let Apple stuff near real computers :P) and it did the same freaking out during POST thing.
anyone know why this is - is it just picky or am I missing a trick somewhere.
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On 8-7-2011 2:14, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Apropos SANs: Has anyone played with the iSCSI initiator in 8.4? That
could be a pretty killer feature for me, I'm sure for others too.
For some reason, HP removed iSCSI from V8.4. V8.3-1H1 is the last to support it,
don't ask me why... (I read about it on the "Deathrow" DEC Notes recently.)
- MG
On 8 Jul 2011, at 01:09, MG wrote:
Your point about the limited amount of storage space is what surprises many people.
In a way it also makes a (tiny) bit of sense, especially as the bigger players usually
tend to boot off SAN and larger, centralized, disk systems anyway.
Apropos SANs: Has anyone played with the iSCSI initiator in 8.4? That could be a pretty killer feature for me, I'm sure for others too.
Sampsa
On 7-7-2011 10:04, Mark Wickens wrote:
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Fully loaded RX4640 up for GBP 640, that would put a dent in your electricity bill.
Always amazed me that these came with only two drives built in, given the size of the case!
That's a great find, two available even. Thanks for sharing! Beware though, this is not as
loaded out as one of these can be. In fact, for the power it must consume and heat it that
it will dissipate, it's perhaps not a very wise choice (especially for a Hobbyist) and you
might as well max. it out, so at least you'll get a good performance benefit/return on the
power usage.
The rx4640 is interesting as it makes use of so-called "cell"-architecture, unlike the single-
"cell" "entry-level" systems (like the rx1600/rx1620, zx6000/rx2600/rx2620 and so forth), thus
a bit more like the 'big iron' Integrity systems (like the rx7620, rx8620 and the Superdome).
I believe the rx4640 can take two, which can be fitted with four single-core processors each
or two "mx2" dual-processor modules (as seen in the first Integrity Superdome systems).
Then there are also "memory expansion boards", I'm not sure how many DIMMs go on each of these,
but I vaguely recall it can take a maximum of 128 GB. (In the case of the "cell"/processor
boards, it seems maxed out, but the auction doesn't appear to mention too much on the 'memory
boards'. it might be worth to ask the seller about, before making an offer or buying.)
A friend of mine has one of these (with lesser specifications), he bought it a couple of
years ago, for 1300 at the time! He still hasn't gotten around to installing VMS yet, I
hope he will soon.
Your point about the limited amount of storage space is what surprises many people.
In a way it also makes a (tiny) bit of sense, especially as the bigger players usually
tend to boot off SAN and larger, centralized, disk systems anyway.
- MG
On 8-7-2011 1:17, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Marco,
Is it possible to run VMS in a virtual machine (I think 8.4 supports
being a guest on Itanium) on a zx6000? What about a rx2600?
Unfortunately, no. The version is right, but the rx2600 is not of a recent enough
architecture to support HPVM (or "IntegrityVM"). One must at least have a 9000
(Montecito), 9100 (Montvale) or 9300 (Tukwila) series IA-64 processor. The rx2600
supports the Madison (at 1500 MHz, with 6 MB cache) at most. Then, as Mark just
said, there's also the hypervisor and licensing issue.
On the HP public/anonymous FTP, there's a HP-UX .depot-file that contains "HPVM"
in the filename. Maybe it's worth taking a look at? I guess it can't hurt to try?
But, don't count too much on it.
- MG
On 8-7-2011 1:03, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I _think_ this just means that OPA0: will be allocated to the serial port,
not that DECWindows won't run - am I wrong?
So once it's all installed and running, you'll get a X session up on the
graphics card - you just can't use it as a VMS OP console..
That's right, though, in his specific case DECwindows wouldn't work as there
is no support for ATi FireGL graphics adapters.
I heard HP is considering to support some new graphics adapters, like the
AMD/ATi FireMV 2250 (for which there should already be HP-UX support, though
only 'accelerated 2D'), because of some of requests and demand from several
big customers. Demand for graphics support for these platforms is still
there, which is both interesting and nice, especially as we're told that it
is 'dead' and that 'nobody' allegedly 'cares' for it.
The only problem is that these modern cards are PCIe (PCI-Express) models,
thus won't be of much use for someone with a rx2600 with only PCI/PCI-X
slots...
- MG
