It could be more complicated than that... here's my setup, tell me
what you think:
[Internet]----[router]~~~wireless~~~[laptop]-----[Alpha and VAX]
You'll have to get all those gateways to pass packets on port 700, for sure. I don't think Johnny's program will be any different, though, except for the port number. I could be wrong, though.
Bob
At 7:02 PM -0700 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong wrote:
>Would it also solve his Firewall problem, if he's the one initiating
the connection?
I don't think so - he'll still have to configure his router to accept
incoming UDP packets on port 700 and forward them to his VAX.
Ugh, you're right, I forgot what a nightmare that was with my Firewall.
Zane
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On 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
Would it also solve his Firewall problem, if he's the one initiating
the connection?
I don't think so - he'll still have to configure his router to accept
incoming UDP packets on port 700 and forward them to his VAX.
Bob
It could be more complicated than that... here's my setup, tell me
what you think:
[Internet]----[router]~~~wireless~~~[laptop]-----[Alpha and VAX]
There's a wireless router downstairs connected to the Internet. My
laptop has a wireless card and is configured to act as a gateway for
the wired LAN in my room, to which the laptop, the Alpha, and the VAX
are all connected.
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Would it also solve his Firewall problem, if he's the one initiating
the connection?
I don't think so - he'll still have to configure his router to accept
incoming UDP packets on port 700 and forward them to his VAX.
Bob
At 6:51 PM -0700 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong wrote:
>I am willing to switch to Multinet, I'd just like to know why I
should.
Well, it can do the DECnet over IP tunneling without any additional machines or software.
Would it also solve his Firewall problem, if he's the one initiating the connection?
Zane
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| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
At 6:42 PM -0700 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong wrote:
>Quick question--LOKI already has DECnet-Plus installed, that will work
for HECnet, right? As I understand it, DECnet-Plus is backwards
compatible with Phase IV?
It's supposed to be, but I don't know anyone on HECnet who is actually using it. Many/most HECnet nodes are rather old and can barely manage Phase-IV :-)
MONK originally ran DECnet Phase V, it was *upgraded* to Phase IV right after I got on HECnet. Things seem to work better with Phase IV.
Zane
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I am willing to switch to Multinet, I'd just like to know why I
should.
Well, it can do the DECnet over IP tunneling without any additional machines or software.
Bob
On 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
I have UCX on both of them; I use LOKI by far the most.
If you were willing to switch to Multinet (which has a free hobbyist license _and_ is a lot better than UCX) you'd be all set to connect.
I am willing to switch to Multinet, I'd just like to know why I
should. Considering that my current configuration uses only outgoing
ssh, FTP, and a little HTTP, I don't put much load on my TCP/IP
software.
Quick question--LOKI already has DECnet-Plus installed, that will work
for HECnet, right? As I understand it, DECnet-Plus is backwards
compatible with Phase IV?
It's supposed to be, but I don't know anyone on HECnet who is actually using it. Many/most HECnet nodes are rather old and can barely manage Phase-IV :-)
Bob
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I have UCX on both of them; I use LOKI by far the most.
If you were willing to switch to Multinet (which has a free hobbyist license _and_ is a lot better than UCX) you'd be all set to connect.
Quick question--LOKI already has DECnet-Plus installed, that will work
for HECnet, right? As I understand it, DECnet-Plus is backwards
compatible with Phase IV?
It's supposed to be, but I don't know anyone on HECnet who is actually using it. Many/most HECnet nodes are rather old and can barely manage Phase-IV :-)
Bob
On 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
Wouldn't it be best to have someone geographically closer for reasons of latency?
I don't think it really matters much anymore and besides, it's not as if HECnet is a high bandwidth application :-)
I'll be using Johnny's tunnel program.
Then I think you're going to have to connect to his server, regardless of geography.
Ok, then I guess I may end up using one of Johnny's machines after all.
open ports on the LAN, something I can't easily do.
AFAIK, you'll have to open ports in either case. Multinet uses UDP port 700; I don't know about Johnny's program.
If it's an outbound port, there's no problem; we're talking about your
typical Linksys wireless router sitting on a cable modem. If I need to
open an inbound port, which wouldn't surprise me, I'll talk to the
landlady... she'll probably approve, she knows I work in computing and
for some reason that makes people assume I know what I'm doing ;)
LOKI:: Alphastation 250 4/266 running OpenVMS 8.3
FAFNIR:: VAXstation 4000-60 running OpenVMS 7.3
Do you already have TCP/IP on either of these machines? What/which one are you using?
I have UCX on both of them; I use LOKI by far the most.
Quick question--LOKI already has DECnet-Plus installed, that will work
for HECnet, right? As I understand it, DECnet-Plus is backwards
compatible with Phase IV?
John
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