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by wilson＠dbit.com

From: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> I think you are right, but my memory is fuzzy on all this now. IIRC with the MIT/BBN pager modification, KA10's could run ITS or TENEX (aka twinex - which was the Tops-20 pre-cursor ). I'm 99.99% sure the BBN and MIT pagers are unrelated, even though they were both built for the KA10 and around the same time. TOPS-20 and ITS paging are certainly different universes. John Wilson D Bit

12 years, 2 months

Hooking up TOPS-20 to HECnet?

by clemc＠ccc.com

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote: I recall that it was a KA10, but did KA10's run TOPS-20? I think you are right, but my memory is fuzzy on all this now. IIRC with the MIT/BBN pager modification, KA10's could run ITS or TENEX (aka twinex - which was the Tops-20 pre-cursor ). Folks like dvk or supnik are likely to remember, so I'll try to remember to ask one of them when I see them next. A number of DARPA contractors had modified processors and I'm pretty sure it took a processor modification to run TENEX. I loved TENEX until I was seduced by UNIX -- maybe its the X in the name that takes you to darkside ;-)

12 years, 2 months

Hooking up TOPS-20 to HECnet?

by clemc＠ccc.com

If you could take really good notes and build an "How-To" You are scratching on a project [TWINEX - Tops20 - on a simulated PDP-10/20] I want to try to myself but have not gotten the time. Thanks, Clem Cole On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Installing it on a Linux box anyway, it says it comes with a precompiled Linux binary of KLH10. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 23 Sep 2013, at 08:47, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: > > El 23/09/2013, a les 8:41, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure: >> Will that run in SIMH? >> >> Or do I need some other emulator? >> > > It won't run in SIMH. The panda dist comes with KLH10. The default configuration has DECNET disabled, but it is not difficult to enable it. You will find some tips in this post: > > http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/ten-over-pi.html?m=1 > > > >> sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> >> mobile +358 40 7208932 >> >> On 23 Sep 2013, at 08:38, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> El 23/09/2013, a les 5:59, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure: >>>> >>>> What software do I need to get another one going? Any ideas? >>> >>> The panda distribution contains everything you need.

12 years, 2 months

LAUNCH pad on CHIMPY::

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: Does anybody wish to have their system listed in CHIMPY's LAUNCH captive account - it gets a moderate amount of traffic. Currently listed systems are: 1. B4BBS - Yesterday's Technology Today 2. WOPR:: - Games and VAX BBS goodness 3. MIM: - The RSX-11 based home of HECnet 4. vert.synchro.net - Vertrauen BBS 5. EISNER - DECUSERVE's Public Access System 6. MANSON - Part of the Deathrow Cluster 7. BUBBLE:: 8. TIGER:: 9. RetroChallenge BBS 10. Pyffle BBS HQ 11. HILANT:: VAX Cluster 12. TWENEX - awesome TOPS-20 system 13. B4/S390 - MBSE BBS runnning on a z/Series MAINFRAME. Check it out! sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 Add MARLEY and i'll try to bring that VM back up. It's TOPS-10. I /think/ the guest login is guest/guest -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

12 years, 2 months

Hooking up TOPS-20 to HECnet?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: I'm really starting to like this OS, and wondered if it's possible to attach it to DECNET Phase IV? The docs weren't exactly clear. I've done it. I've done the same with TOPS-10. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

12 years, 2 months

Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 23/09/2013 02:43, Sampsa Laine wrote: sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 23 Sep 2013, at 03:05, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: It's hard to describe Multinet with words that are printable. It was designed by fools who never bothered to understand the DECnet architecture specifications and were utterly clueless about competent protocol design. Avoid it if at all possible. GRE tunneling is a good answer. (So is SIMH DMC emulation, if both ends can speak it.) Speaking of SIMH v4, I came across this in github: Add sim_video and VAX QVSS (VCB01) Monochrome Video Board from Matt Burke Does this mean we'll get a graphical version of SIMH VAX? sampsa Matt is an attendee of DEC Legacy and always brings a smorgasboard of VAX goodness. I'm going to ask him if he'll do a talk on his SIMH video support work this time, but he's not big into giving presentations so I don't know which way he'll go. His page on these enhancements to SIMH is here: http://www.9track.net/simh/video/ Regards, Mark.

12 years, 2 months

Config Details Required

by mark.darvill＠mac.com

Hi Tim, Just got back from Australia today. The Cisco 1800 I have is an 1841. It is currently using: Cisco IOS Software, 1841 Software (C1841-BROADBAND-M), Version 12.4(16a), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc2) image name flash:c1841-broadband-mz.124-16a.bin So a compatible release with DecNet would be great. Thanks for your help. Mark On 15/09/2013 01:30, Tim Sneddon wrote: Hi Mark, I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you. Regards, Tim. On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote: On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote: On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote: -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote: HI, I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the near future. Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1. So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act as a peer? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following these emails. If I have it right (http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf) all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more (depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong? That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route. Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast? Regards Rob I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required. BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option. Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter. Hi Mark, I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2: interface Vlan1 ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0 ip nat inside interface Dialer0 ip nat outside ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723 Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so: interface Tunnel52 description HECnet tunnel for ... no ip address decnet cost 20 tunnel source Ethernet0 tunnel destination .... However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him. I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested). Regards, Tim. Hi Tim, Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet? Thanks, Mark

12 years, 2 months

LAUNCH pad on CHIMPY::

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 23/09/2013 07:26, Sampsa Laine wrote: Does anybody wish to have their system listed in CHIMPY's LAUNCH captive account - it gets a moderate amount of traffic. Currently listed systems are: 1. B4BBS - Yesterday's Technology Today 2. WOPR:: - Games and VAX BBS goodness 3. MIM: - The RSX-11 based home of HECnet 4. vert.synchro.net - Vertrauen BBS 5. EISNER - DECUSERVE's Public Access System 6. MANSON - Part of the Deathrow Cluster 7. BUBBLE:: 8. TIGER:: 9. RetroChallenge BBS 10. Pyffle BBS HQ 11. HILANT:: VAX Cluster 12. TWENEX - awesome TOPS-20 system 13. B4/S390 - MBSE BBS runnning on a z/Series MAINFRAME. Check it out! sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 SLAVE:: (when it's up) contains DECUS archive, VMS/DUnix/Ultrix archive

12 years, 2 months

Hooking up TOPS-20 to HECnet?

by pontus＠Update.UU.SE

On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:52:15PM -0400, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! Interesting. And I wonder why. There's a scene in the book "Cuckoo's Egg" where the fink having broken into the US sponsored network again landing in UCB finds himself 3000 miles away and in Cambridge and trying to figure out a TOPS-20 running system. I can't recall what specie of system it was that was still there then, but when Cliff contacted the school to report it, the individual told him not to worry about it, there wasn't much on it, and it was (GASP!) going to be thrown away in a few months. It might have been an ordinary PDP-10 as it happens. The fink was easily confounded by BSD, and knew enough VMS to confuse even Cliff, but the way the TOPS-20 system worked completely baffled him. I certainly hope the system went to a good home..... I just red that book and remember the scene very well :) I also gasp:ed when I read it was going to be thrown away. I recall that it was a KA10, but did KA10's run TOPS-20? I don't think so. I'll have to open the book and check tonight. Great book! /P

12 years, 2 months

Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 23/09/2013, a les 8:45, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure: So you can basically install X on them and it'll run? Well, yes and no. I don't think the graphics support in SIMH is the better option to make a "portable VAX". Basically, what you get is a window emulatin the Vaxstation "glass console". So, when you boot VMS with DECWindows, you get a graphic login prompt just like in a real VS. The problem is you will get the emulated device resolution, not the resolution your mac can support. You will get better results with a headless emulated VAX and xnest/Xephyr connecting to it using XDCMP... Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 2 months

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