Guys. Do anyone maintain a list of public machines that guests would be welcome to log in to in a form presentable from the web? People in comp.os.vms are asking about public VMS systems around, and it might be an opportunity to make HECnet a little more publicly visible.
I know that I've kept HECnet at a very low profile for a long time, but maybe a little exposure would be positive? Or people prefer us to remain secret?
I do from time to time tell about MIM, but I'm not saying much about any other system, or HECnet in general.
Johnny
On 2013-09-24 10:35, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 03:20:03AM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Are there any ITS disk images around so that people could install it
on an emulator?
Did you forget UP.Update.UU.SE ?
Victor must have had some sort of image to set it UP :)
Doh! My memory is short. :-)
Johnny
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Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 06:05:45PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote:
It's very likely that that very computer is here. Two of the three
PDP-10s from the MIT AI Lab are here.
http://www.neurotica.com/misc/DECsystem-2020s.jpg
The (original from MIT) handwritten label on the front of the
rightmost one says "This is ML.AI, an ITS".
Very nice!
Here is something you might find interesting (or, what I did two weeks ago):
http://www.update.uu.se/~pontus/venus_haul.shtml
/P
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 03:20:03AM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Are there any ITS disk images around so that people could install it
on an emulator?
Did you forget UP.Update.UU.SE ?
Victor must have had some sort of image to set it UP :)
/P
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-24 03:15, John Wilson wrote:
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
I think the disk images from AI were preserved, but I think that because
of all the guest accounts and so on, they have never been spread.
Which is weird, because for quite a while, the complete snapshots of
both AI and MC were available for anonymous FTP (and of course there was
no file protection on ITS while there were still live machines). So I
understand the retroactive motivation, but that horse was never even IN
the barn.
Oh, I agree. I never considered my files on AI to be secret either, and wouldn't mind if someone found them.
But I know I have read about that concern, when it comes to the images of AI. They didn't have the formal approval of the people owning all those files, so they would need to scrub the images before anything could be made available. I think it has partly been a question of making any ITS disk image available for people who want a running system. I don't know what the status is these days. Are there any ITS disk images around so that people could install it on an emulator?
There is this one:
ftp://mini-me.trailing-edge.com/pub/PI-ITS-RP06.0-dbd9.bz2
Hello!
I quite agree. However take a look at what was involved to create
those preloaded images for the PDP-11 that once kept a crowd of
high-school students amused over in Delaware for many years. It was
involving and it can't be describe here politely.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-24 03:15, John Wilson wrote:
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
I think the disk images from AI were preserved, but I think that because
of all the guest accounts and so on, they have never been spread.
Which is weird, because for quite a while, the complete snapshots of
both AI and MC were available for anonymous FTP (and of course there was
no file protection on ITS while there were still live machines). So I
understand the retroactive motivation, but that horse was never even IN
the barn.
Oh, I agree. I never considered my files on AI to be secret either, and
wouldn't mind if someone found them.
But I know I have read about that concern, when it comes to the images of
AI. They didn't have the formal approval of the people owning all those
files, so they would need to scrub the images before anything could be made
available. I think it has partly been a question of making any ITS disk
image available for people who want a running system. I don't know what the
status is these days. Are there any ITS disk images around so that people
could install it on an emulator?
Johnny (BQT at AI)
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-09-24 03:15, John Wilson wrote:
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
I think the disk images from AI were preserved, but I think that because
of all the guest accounts and so on, they have never been spread.
Which is weird, because for quite a while, the complete snapshots of
both AI and MC were available for anonymous FTP (and of course there was
no file protection on ITS while there were still live machines). So I
understand the retroactive motivation, but that horse was never even IN
the barn.
Oh, I agree. I never considered my files on AI to be secret either, and wouldn't mind if someone found them.
But I know I have read about that concern, when it comes to the images of AI. They didn't have the formal approval of the people owning all those files, so they would need to scrub the images before anything could be made available. I think it has partly been a question of making any ITS disk image available for people who want a running system. I don't know what the status is these days. Are there any ITS disk images around so that people could install it on an emulator?
Johnny (BQT at AI)
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
You need to manually put 4 lines into the config (I'll tell you are when I get home) and my system takes care of the rest.
I can work with you on some manner of automated system if you would like. A quick and dirty web API would be trivial to do. (I just wrote one for another project, actually.)
-brian
On Sep 23, 2013, at 18:37, Jarratt RMA <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
I have no idea how to set up GRE, but I believe the DECbrouter I have can do it, does anyone have any pointers on how to set it up? I will also want to add GRE to my user mode router when I get chance, but for DEC Legacy using the brouter might be nice. Once I can get it (the brouter) working let me know how to update your db with the IP address. Question though, does the IP address change have to be made manually or could it be automatic?
Thanks
Rob
On 22 September 2013 23:32, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
If you want to use the GRE tunnels I can give you access to the db to update your IP.
-brian
On Sep 22, 2013, at 16:18, "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I don't have multinet and I have never installed it. What protocol does it
> use under the covers, is it something proprietary to multinet? Could I get
> the DECbrouter I bought recently to interoperate with your side? If it is
> not too hard I could try implementing Multinet interop in my user mode
> router.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf
> Of Steve Davidson
> Sent: 22 September 2013 11:43
> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> Subject: RE: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct
>
>
>
> If you decide to use Multinet and have access to a dynamic DNS name, then I
> can link SG1:: to it via the SW at this end. It is completely automated.
> If we can manage to install Multinet on GORVAX:: then the links would be
> even faster.
>
>
>
> -Steve
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Mark Wickens
> Sent: Sat 9/21/2013 16:18
> To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
> Subject: Re: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct
>
> On 21/09/2013 21:12, Robert Jarratt wrote:
>
> I am hoping to connect to HECnet from the DEC Legacy event in October,
> hopefully connecting a few interesting systems to HECnet and allowing
> attendees to explore HECnet.
>
>
>
> I would be using a USB 3G device to do this, so I wouldn't know my IP until
> the day itself. Is there anyone with a bridge on HECnet who would be
> available during UK daytime on those days to configure their bridge to peer
> with me? There may be more than one change of IP address over the course of
> the weekend though.
>
>
>
> Are there any other options?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> Rob,
>
> Obviously I will have my home bridge going, so maybe we can keep this
> in-house with a bit of experimentation? I think this is maybe what I did
> last time, I really can't remember but it makes a lot of sense and it does
> shake my memory a bit!
>
> Mark.
>
> <winmail.dat>
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
I think the disk images from AI were preserved, but I think that because
of all the guest accounts and so on, they have never been spread.
Which is weird, because for quite a while, the complete snapshots of
both AI and MC were available for anonymous FTP (and of course there was
no file protection on ITS while there were still live machines). So I
understand the retroactive motivation, but that horse was never even IN
the barn.
John Wilson
JOHNW at AI
On 2013-09-24 00:32, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/23/2013 06:31 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
The ITS machines at MIT all seemed to have two letter names. I
definitely had an account on AI.
I have that machine. My machines were AI and ML.AI.
Fun. So I was using AI back in the mid 80s, from Sweden. (Yes, the internet existed even back then, or maybe I should say the DARPANET, which I think was the correct name at that specific point in time.)
I think the disk images from AI were preserved, but I think that because of all the guest accounts and so on, they have never been spread.
Johnny
