Hello!
Johnny, I'm not doubting you. Really! I only related that scene in the
book, freely translated of course.
Sampsa please go and do so, when you have the time.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I don't get it. There is nothing easier to work on than a TOPS-20 system.
As to the question of the OP - of course you can.
.ncp tell sol sho exec cha
Node characteristics as of 23-SEP-13 05:56:20
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = SC40M, Stupi Stockholm, Tops20, Management version =
4.0.0
Loop count = 1, Loop length = 127
Loop with = Mixed, Incoming timer = 30
Outgoing timer = 60, NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 65535, Delay factor = 48
Delay weight = 10
Inactivity timer = 120, Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Routing IV
Routing timer = 600
Broadcast routing timer = 40, Maximum address = 1023
Maximum circuits = 20
Maximum cost = 100
Maximum hops = 16, Maximum visits = 20
Maximum broadcast endnodes = 64
Maximum broadcast routers = 32
Maximum buffers = 80, Buffer size = 576
Segment buffer size = 576
.
Johnny
On 2013-09-23 05:52, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Interesting. And I wonder why.
There's a scene in the book "Cuckoo's Egg" where the fink having
broken into the US sponsored network again landing in UCB finds
himself 3000 miles away and in Cambridge and trying to figure out a
TOPS-20 running system. I can't recall what specie of system it was
that was still there then, but when Cliff contacted the school to
report it, the individual told him not to worry about it, there wasn't
much on it, and it was (GASP!) going to be thrown away in a few
months.
It might have been an ordinary PDP-10 as it happens.
The fink was easily confounded by BSD, and knew enough VMS to confuse
even Cliff, but the way the TOPS-20 system worked completely baffled
him.
I certainly hope the system went to a good home.....
------
Interestingly enough one of the people on the SIMH list who I know
well enough told me that when he got started in computers most of the
sites mentioned in the book were still available.
-----
And Dave? That's not your fault. But leaving enough active and running
systems available for a family of Yeti is. They've been throwing all
sorts of things at China for the past three days. Cory as well.
They've already worn out your primary router and worse......
Your cats let them in, especially when they saw that they brought
friends, a family of snow leopards.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
I'm really starting to like this OS, and wondered if it's possible to
attach it to DECNET Phase IV? The docs weren't exactly clear.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I think I found v7 and a decnet stack on the SIMH site.
Will prob run it in SIMH as I don't own a -20..
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 23 Sep 2013, at 06:05, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-23 05:59, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah I saw that SOL is a TOPS-20 node.
What software do I need to get another one going? Any ideas?
TOPS-20. Atleast 6.1, but better with 7.0... And I think DECnet is on a separate tape. I think that pre 6.0, it was only phase III.
And of course, the right hardware to go with it (or the right emulator).
Johnny
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 23 Sep 2013, at 05:57, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I don't get it. There is nothing easier to work on than a TOPS-20 system.
As to the question of the OP - of course you can.
.ncp tell sol sho exec cha
Node characteristics as of 23-SEP-13 05:56:20
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = SC40M, Stupi Stockholm, Tops20, Management version = 4.0.0
Loop count = 1, Loop length = 127
Loop with = Mixed, Incoming timer = 30
Outgoing timer = 60, NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 65535, Delay factor = 48
Delay weight = 10
Inactivity timer = 120, Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Routing IV
Routing timer = 600
Broadcast routing timer = 40, Maximum address = 1023
Maximum circuits = 20
Maximum cost = 100
Maximum hops = 16, Maximum visits = 20
Maximum broadcast endnodes = 64
Maximum broadcast routers = 32
Maximum buffers = 80, Buffer size = 576
Segment buffer size = 576
.
Johnny
On 2013-09-23 05:52, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Interesting. And I wonder why.
There's a scene in the book "Cuckoo's Egg" where the fink having
broken into the US sponsored network again landing in UCB finds
himself 3000 miles away and in Cambridge and trying to figure out a
TOPS-20 running system. I can't recall what specie of system it was
that was still there then, but when Cliff contacted the school to
report it, the individual told him not to worry about it, there wasn't
much on it, and it was (GASP!) going to be thrown away in a few
months.
It might have been an ordinary PDP-10 as it happens.
The fink was easily confounded by BSD, and knew enough VMS to confuse
even Cliff, but the way the TOPS-20 system worked completely baffled
him.
I certainly hope the system went to a good home.....
------
Interestingly enough one of the people on the SIMH list who I know
well enough told me that when he got started in computers most of the
sites mentioned in the book were still available.
-----
And Dave? That's not your fault. But leaving enough active and running
systems available for a family of Yeti is. They've been throwing all
sorts of things at China for the past three days. Cory as well.
They've already worn out your primary router and worse......
Your cats let them in, especially when they saw that they brought
friends, a family of snow leopards.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
I'm really starting to like this OS, and wondered if it's possible to attach it to DECNET Phase IV? The docs weren't exactly clear.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-09-23 05:59, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah I saw that SOL is a TOPS-20 node.
What software do I need to get another one going? Any ideas?
TOPS-20. Atleast 6.1, but better with 7.0... And I think DECnet is on a separate tape. I think that pre 6.0, it was only phase III.
And of course, the right hardware to go with it (or the right emulator).
Johnny
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 23 Sep 2013, at 05:57, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I don't get it. There is nothing easier to work on than a TOPS-20 system.
As to the question of the OP - of course you can.
.ncp tell sol sho exec cha
Node characteristics as of 23-SEP-13 05:56:20
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = SC40M, Stupi Stockholm, Tops20, Management version = 4.0.0
Loop count = 1, Loop length = 127
Loop with = Mixed, Incoming timer = 30
Outgoing timer = 60, NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 65535, Delay factor = 48
Delay weight = 10
Inactivity timer = 120, Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Routing IV
Routing timer = 600
Broadcast routing timer = 40, Maximum address = 1023
Maximum circuits = 20
Maximum cost = 100
Maximum hops = 16, Maximum visits = 20
Maximum broadcast endnodes = 64
Maximum broadcast routers = 32
Maximum buffers = 80, Buffer size = 576
Segment buffer size = 576
.
Johnny
On 2013-09-23 05:52, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Interesting. And I wonder why.
There's a scene in the book "Cuckoo's Egg" where the fink having
broken into the US sponsored network again landing in UCB finds
himself 3000 miles away and in Cambridge and trying to figure out a
TOPS-20 running system. I can't recall what specie of system it was
that was still there then, but when Cliff contacted the school to
report it, the individual told him not to worry about it, there wasn't
much on it, and it was (GASP!) going to be thrown away in a few
months.
It might have been an ordinary PDP-10 as it happens.
The fink was easily confounded by BSD, and knew enough VMS to confuse
even Cliff, but the way the TOPS-20 system worked completely baffled
him.
I certainly hope the system went to a good home.....
------
Interestingly enough one of the people on the SIMH list who I know
well enough told me that when he got started in computers most of the
sites mentioned in the book were still available.
-----
And Dave? That's not your fault. But leaving enough active and running
systems available for a family of Yeti is. They've been throwing all
sorts of things at China for the past three days. Cory as well.
They've already worn out your primary router and worse......
Your cats let them in, especially when they saw that they brought
friends, a family of snow leopards.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
I'm really starting to like this OS, and wondered if it's possible to attach it to DECNET Phase IV? The docs weren't exactly clear.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Yeah I saw that SOL is a TOPS-20 node.
What software do I need to get another one going? Any ideas?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 23 Sep 2013, at 05:57, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I don't get it. There is nothing easier to work on than a TOPS-20 system.
As to the question of the OP - of course you can.
.ncp tell sol sho exec cha
Node characteristics as of 23-SEP-13 05:56:20
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = SC40M, Stupi Stockholm, Tops20, Management version = 4.0.0
Loop count = 1, Loop length = 127
Loop with = Mixed, Incoming timer = 30
Outgoing timer = 60, NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 65535, Delay factor = 48
Delay weight = 10
Inactivity timer = 120, Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Routing IV
Routing timer = 600
Broadcast routing timer = 40, Maximum address = 1023
Maximum circuits = 20
Maximum cost = 100
Maximum hops = 16, Maximum visits = 20
Maximum broadcast endnodes = 64
Maximum broadcast routers = 32
Maximum buffers = 80, Buffer size = 576
Segment buffer size = 576
.
Johnny
On 2013-09-23 05:52, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Interesting. And I wonder why.
There's a scene in the book "Cuckoo's Egg" where the fink having
broken into the US sponsored network again landing in UCB finds
himself 3000 miles away and in Cambridge and trying to figure out a
TOPS-20 running system. I can't recall what specie of system it was
that was still there then, but when Cliff contacted the school to
report it, the individual told him not to worry about it, there wasn't
much on it, and it was (GASP!) going to be thrown away in a few
months.
It might have been an ordinary PDP-10 as it happens.
The fink was easily confounded by BSD, and knew enough VMS to confuse
even Cliff, but the way the TOPS-20 system worked completely baffled
him.
I certainly hope the system went to a good home.....
------
Interestingly enough one of the people on the SIMH list who I know
well enough told me that when he got started in computers most of the
sites mentioned in the book were still available.
-----
And Dave? That's not your fault. But leaving enough active and running
systems available for a family of Yeti is. They've been throwing all
sorts of things at China for the past three days. Cory as well.
They've already worn out your primary router and worse......
Your cats let them in, especially when they saw that they brought
friends, a family of snow leopards.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
I'm really starting to like this OS, and wondered if it's possible to attach it to DECNET Phase IV? The docs weren't exactly clear.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I don't get it. There is nothing easier to work on than a TOPS-20 system.
As to the question of the OP - of course you can.
.ncp tell sol sho exec cha
Node characteristics as of 23-SEP-13 05:56:20
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = SC40M, Stupi Stockholm, Tops20, Management version = 4.0.0
Loop count = 1, Loop length = 127
Loop with = Mixed, Incoming timer = 30
Outgoing timer = 60, NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 65535, Delay factor = 48
Delay weight = 10
Inactivity timer = 120, Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Routing IV
Routing timer = 600
Broadcast routing timer = 40, Maximum address = 1023
Maximum circuits = 20
Maximum cost = 100
Maximum hops = 16, Maximum visits = 20
Maximum broadcast endnodes = 64
Maximum broadcast routers = 32
Maximum buffers = 80, Buffer size = 576
Segment buffer size = 576
.
Johnny
On 2013-09-23 05:52, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Interesting. And I wonder why.
There's a scene in the book "Cuckoo's Egg" where the fink having
broken into the US sponsored network again landing in UCB finds
himself 3000 miles away and in Cambridge and trying to figure out a
TOPS-20 running system. I can't recall what specie of system it was
that was still there then, but when Cliff contacted the school to
report it, the individual told him not to worry about it, there wasn't
much on it, and it was (GASP!) going to be thrown away in a few
months.
It might have been an ordinary PDP-10 as it happens.
The fink was easily confounded by BSD, and knew enough VMS to confuse
even Cliff, but the way the TOPS-20 system worked completely baffled
him.
I certainly hope the system went to a good home.....
------
Interestingly enough one of the people on the SIMH list who I know
well enough told me that when he got started in computers most of the
sites mentioned in the book were still available.
-----
And Dave? That's not your fault. But leaving enough active and running
systems available for a family of Yeti is. They've been throwing all
sorts of things at China for the past three days. Cory as well.
They've already worn out your primary router and worse......
Your cats let them in, especially when they saw that they brought
friends, a family of snow leopards.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
I'm really starting to like this OS, and wondered if it's possible to attach it to DECNET Phase IV? The docs weren't exactly clear.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hello!
Interesting. And I wonder why.
There's a scene in the book "Cuckoo's Egg" where the fink having
broken into the US sponsored network again landing in UCB finds
himself 3000 miles away and in Cambridge and trying to figure out a
TOPS-20 running system. I can't recall what specie of system it was
that was still there then, but when Cliff contacted the school to
report it, the individual told him not to worry about it, there wasn't
much on it, and it was (GASP!) going to be thrown away in a few
months.
It might have been an ordinary PDP-10 as it happens.
The fink was easily confounded by BSD, and knew enough VMS to confuse
even Cliff, but the way the TOPS-20 system worked completely baffled
him.
I certainly hope the system went to a good home.....
------
Interestingly enough one of the people on the SIMH list who I know
well enough told me that when he got started in computers most of the
sites mentioned in the book were still available.
-----
And Dave? That's not your fault. But leaving enough active and running
systems available for a family of Yeti is. They've been throwing all
sorts of things at China for the past three days. Cory as well.
They've already worn out your primary router and worse......
Your cats let them in, especially when they saw that they brought
friends, a family of snow leopards.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
I'm really starting to like this OS, and wondered if it's possible to attach it to DECNET Phase IV? The docs weren't exactly clear.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
I'm really starting to like this OS, and wondered if it's possible to attach it to DECNET Phase IV? The docs weren't exactly clear.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
I would be using a USB 3G device to do this, so I wouldn't know my IP
until the day itself. Is there anyone with a bridge on HECnet who would
be available during UK daytime on those days to configure their bridge
to peer with me? There may be more than one change of IP address over
the course of the weekend though.
Honestly, the "easy" way to do this is to set up a VPN such that your
event site LAN is more or less bridged to someone's existing LAN that
contains DECNET hosts. This solves the problems that are toughest:
moving IP assignment, address translation, port translation, etc. Since
the VPN typically uses public key stuff for auth, you don't need to
fiddle with ip address restrictions, the client connects to the uplink
point when things change, etc. Eliminates config changes in bridges,
multinet stubbornness about a single predefined port number for both
ends, various stupid injected by devices that barely understand TCP
ports other than 80, much less non-IP protocols, etc. One of the Area
18 sites is "permanently" connected this way. I can probably contribute
config hints if the router/firewall/vpn technology is a linux box.
De
:-)
On 09/22/2013 10:04 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm building one the moment SIMH v4 comes out :)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 23 Sep 2013, at 04:03, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I'd use that in a cafe' in a heartbeat.
-Dave
On 09/22/2013 10:02 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That would be pretty nifty - build a laptop that runs Linux, starts SIMH from init and runs with graphics. A VaxBook if you will.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 23 Sep 2013, at 04:00, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 09/22/2013 09:43 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Speaking of SIMH v4, I came across this in github:
Add sim_video and VAX QVSS (VCB01) Monochrome Video Board from Matt Burke
Does this mean we'll get a graphical version of SIMH VAX?
That has been in the works for some time.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
I'm building one the moment SIMH v4 comes out :)
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 23 Sep 2013, at 04:03, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I'd use that in a cafe' in a heartbeat.
-Dave
On 09/22/2013 10:02 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That would be pretty nifty - build a laptop that runs Linux, starts SIMH from init and runs with graphics. A VaxBook if you will.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 23 Sep 2013, at 04:00, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 09/22/2013 09:43 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Speaking of SIMH v4, I came across this in github:
Add sim_video and VAX QVSS (VCB01) Monochrome Video Board from Matt Burke
Does this mean we'll get a graphical version of SIMH VAX?
That has been in the works for some time.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
