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by pontus＠update.uu.se

On 09/23/2013 04:29 PM, Clem Cole wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote: I recall that it was a KA10, but did KA10's run TOPS-20? I think you are right, but my memory is fuzzy on all this now. IIRC with the MIT/BBN pager modification, KA10's could run ITS or TENEX (aka twinex - which was the Tops-20 pre-cursor ). Folks like dvk or supnik are likely to remember, so I'll try to remember to ask one of them when I see them next. A number of DARPA contractors had modified processors and I'm pretty sure it took a processor modification to run TENEX. I loved TENEX until I was seduced by UNIX -- maybe its the X in the name that takes you to darkside ;-) I found the passage in the book, page 107 in this edition, sadly it doesn't say much :( <quote> Instead, I sat and watched the hacker deliberately connect to the MX computer, a PDP-10 at the MIT artificial intelligence labs in Cambridge, Massachusetts. He logged in as user Litwin and spent almost an hour learning how to operate that computer. He seemed quite unaccustomed to the MIT system, and he'd frequently ask for the automated help facility. In an hour, he'd learned little more than how to list files. Perhaps because artificial intelligence research is so arcane, he didn't find much. Certainly the antique operating system didn't provide much protection - any user could read anyone else's files. But the hacker didn't realize this. The sheer impossibility of understanding this system protected their information. </quote> "Sheer impossibility" - makes me think ITS :) Further on he comes back to the PDP-10: <quote> MIT. I'd forgotten to warn them. I called Karen Sollins of their computer department and told her about Friday night's intrusion. "Don't worry," she sais, "there's not much on that computer, and we're throwing it away in a few weeks." <quote> So anyone really interested should find Karen Sollins. /P

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Hooking up TOPS-20 to HECnet?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-09-23 20:07, John Wilson wrote: From: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> I think you are right, but my memory is fuzzy on all this now. IIRC with the MIT/BBN pager modification, KA10's could run ITS or TENEX (aka twinex - which was the Tops-20 pre-cursor ). I'm 99.99% sure the BBN and MIT pagers are unrelated, even though they were both built for the KA10 and around the same time. TOPS-20 and ITS paging are certainly different universes. I can add that additional 0.01% in that case. And TWENEX was just the joking name for TOPS-20 used by non-DEC people to hint at the heritage from TENEX that TOPS-20 had. KA10 could run ITS or TENEX. KA10 was never able to run TOPS-20. I know someone wrote some text about the KL pager microcode which went through some of these details, but I can't find that text right now. (I think it was the KL pager, but maybe it was the KS) Johnny

11 years, 11 months

Config Details Required

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

I will look as well. The 1841 is in storage right now (and the other one is in a box to be shipped to Ian........ eventually *G*) I can't find where my stash of IOS images went. I'll let you know when I find a copy. -brian On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:45:57AM +0100, Mark Darvill wrote: Hi Tim, Just got back from Australia today. The Cisco 1800 I have is an 1841. It is currently using: Cisco IOS Software, 1841 Software (C1841-BROADBAND-M), Version 12.4(16a), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc2) image name flash:c1841-broadband-mz.124-16a.bin So a compatible release with DecNet would be great. Thanks for your help. Mark

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Hooking up TOPS-20 to HECnet?

by clemc＠ccc.com

below On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:07 PM, John Wilson <wilson at dbit.com> wrote: I'm 99.99% sure the BBN and MIT pagers are unrelated, even though they were both built for the KA10 and around the same time. Makes sense, that syncs with my memory. I don't remember much about the detail of either of them frankly. That said, I might not state "unrelated" as much as different. Everyone talked (argued) in those days and frankly LCS and BBN are not that far in distance from each other -- there was certainly a lot of flow of ideas if not bits. TOPS-20 and ITS paging are certainly different universes. That I remembered.

11 years, 11 months

Hooking up TOPS-20 to HECnet?

by wilson＠dbit.com

From: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> I think you are right, but my memory is fuzzy on all this now. IIRC with the MIT/BBN pager modification, KA10's could run ITS or TENEX (aka twinex - which was the Tops-20 pre-cursor ). I'm 99.99% sure the BBN and MIT pagers are unrelated, even though they were both built for the KA10 and around the same time. TOPS-20 and ITS paging are certainly different universes. John Wilson D Bit

11 years, 11 months

Hooking up TOPS-20 to HECnet?

by clemc＠ccc.com

On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at update.uu.se> wrote: I recall that it was a KA10, but did KA10's run TOPS-20? I think you are right, but my memory is fuzzy on all this now. IIRC with the MIT/BBN pager modification, KA10's could run ITS or TENEX (aka twinex - which was the Tops-20 pre-cursor ). Folks like dvk or supnik are likely to remember, so I'll try to remember to ask one of them when I see them next. A number of DARPA contractors had modified processors and I'm pretty sure it took a processor modification to run TENEX. I loved TENEX until I was seduced by UNIX -- maybe its the X in the name that takes you to darkside ;-)

11 years, 11 months

Hooking up TOPS-20 to HECnet?

by clemc＠ccc.com

If you could take really good notes and build an "How-To" You are scratching on a project [TWINEX - Tops20 - on a simulated PDP-10/20] I want to try to myself but have not gotten the time. Thanks, Clem Cole On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 2:49 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Installing it on a Linux box anyway, it says it comes with a precompiled Linux binary of KLH10. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 23 Sep 2013, at 08:47, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: > > El 23/09/2013, a les 8:41, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure: >> Will that run in SIMH? >> >> Or do I need some other emulator? >> > > It won't run in SIMH. The panda dist comes with KLH10. The default configuration has DECNET disabled, but it is not difficult to enable it. You will find some tips in this post: > > http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/ten-over-pi.html?m=1 > > > >> sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> >> mobile +358 40 7208932 >> >> On 23 Sep 2013, at 08:38, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> El 23/09/2013, a les 5:59, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure: >>>> >>>> What software do I need to get another one going? Any ideas? >>> >>> The panda distribution contains everything you need.

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LAUNCH pad on CHIMPY::

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: Does anybody wish to have their system listed in CHIMPY's LAUNCH captive account - it gets a moderate amount of traffic. Currently listed systems are: 1. B4BBS - Yesterday's Technology Today 2. WOPR:: - Games and VAX BBS goodness 3. MIM: - The RSX-11 based home of HECnet 4. vert.synchro.net - Vertrauen BBS 5. EISNER - DECUSERVE's Public Access System 6. MANSON - Part of the Deathrow Cluster 7. BUBBLE:: 8. TIGER:: 9. RetroChallenge BBS 10. Pyffle BBS HQ 11. HILANT:: VAX Cluster 12. TWENEX - awesome TOPS-20 system 13. B4/S390 - MBSE BBS runnning on a z/Series MAINFRAME. Check it out! sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 Add MARLEY and i'll try to bring that VM back up. It's TOPS-10. I /think/ the guest login is guest/guest -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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Hooking up TOPS-20 to HECnet?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 23 Sep 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: I'm really starting to like this OS, and wondered if it's possible to attach it to DECNET Phase IV? The docs weren't exactly clear. I've done it. I've done the same with TOPS-10. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

11 years, 11 months

Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 23/09/2013 02:43, Sampsa Laine wrote: sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 23 Sep 2013, at 03:05, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: It's hard to describe Multinet with words that are printable. It was designed by fools who never bothered to understand the DECnet architecture specifications and were utterly clueless about competent protocol design. Avoid it if at all possible. GRE tunneling is a good answer. (So is SIMH DMC emulation, if both ends can speak it.) Speaking of SIMH v4, I came across this in github: Add sim_video and VAX QVSS (VCB01) Monochrome Video Board from Matt Burke Does this mean we'll get a graphical version of SIMH VAX? sampsa Matt is an attendee of DEC Legacy and always brings a smorgasboard of VAX goodness. I'm going to ask him if he'll do a talk on his SIMH video support work this time, but he's not big into giving presentations so I don't know which way he'll go. His page on these enhancements to SIMH is here: http://www.9track.net/simh/video/ Regards, Mark.

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