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Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I won't be home until the end of the week, I will try it this weekend. Regards Rob On 24 September 2013 21:03, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: Ok, 5 lines. :) first you need to enable DECnet routing: decnet routing X.Y (where X.Y is the DECnet address you want to give it) decnet node-type area Then you need to add this to the interface that talks to your DECnet LAN segment: decnet cost 10 Then you need to allow my config tool to talk to your router: access-list 10 permit 37.59.44.141 snmp-server community <community name> RW 10 Then you just need to get me all that info I asked for and we should be good. The machine running the config tool is down right now so I'm in no hurry. :) -brian On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:37:23PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote: > I have no idea how to set up GRE, but I believe the DECbrouter I have can > do it, does anyone have any pointers on how to set it up? I will also want > to add GRE to my user mode router when I get chance, but for DEC Legacy > using the brouter might be nice. Once I can get it (the brouter) working > let me know how to update your db with the IP address. Question though, > does the IP address change have to be made manually or could it be > automatic? > > Thanks > > Rob > > > On 22 September 2013 23:32, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: > > > If you want to use the GRE tunnels I can give you access to the db to > > update your IP. > > > > -brian > > > > On Sep 22, 2013, at 16:18, "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> > > wrote: > > > > > I don't have multinet and I have never installed it. What protocol does > > it > > > use under the covers, is it something proprietary to multinet? Could I > > get > > > the DECbrouter I bought recently to interoperate with your side? If it is > > > not too hard I could try implementing Multinet interop in my user mode > > > router. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On > > Behalf > > > Of Steve Davidson > > > Sent: 22 September 2013 11:43 > > > To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE > > > Subject: RE: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct > > > > > > > > > > > > If you decide to use Multinet and have access to a dynamic DNS name, > > then I > > > can link SG1:: to it via the SW at this end. It is completely automated. > > > If we can manage to install Multinet on GORVAX:: then the links would be > > > even faster. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Mark Wickens > > > Sent: Sat 9/21/2013 16:18 > > > To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE > > > Subject: Re: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct > > > > > > On 21/09/2013 21:12, Robert Jarratt wrote: > > > > > > I am hoping to connect to HECnet from the DEC Legacy event in October, > > > hopefully connecting a few interesting systems to HECnet and allowing > > > attendees to explore HECnet. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would be using a USB 3G device to do this, so I wouldn't know my IP > > until > > > the day itself. Is there anyone with a bridge on HECnet who would be > > > available during UK daytime on those days to configure their bridge to > > peer > > > with me? There may be more than one change of IP address over the course > > of > > > the weekend though. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there any other options? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > Obviously I will have my home bridge going, so maybe we can keep this > > > in-house with a bit of experimentation? I think this is maybe what I did > > > last time, I really can't remember but it makes a lot of sense and it > > does > > > shake my memory a bit! > > > > > > Mark. > > > > > > <winmail.dat> > >

12 years, 4 months

Public access?

by sampsa＠mac.com

sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 24 Sep 2013, at 22:07, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic and heavy. :-) Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :) Oh for God's sake we can agree on a one line CSV format LOL. I'll write the scraper / parser, anything that doesn't parse doesn't go in the HTML. As per my suggestion, the following fields should be included: - System name - Type - Services offered - Guest account? - Registrable accounts? - Telnet link Example: .BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES CHIMPY|AlphaServer DS10|VMS accounts, launch pad to other systems|No|Yes|telnet://chimpy.sampsa.com .END-PUBLIC-SERVICES

12 years, 4 months

Public access?

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote: Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic and heavy. :-) Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :) Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the idea for now. I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :) There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around. Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something superimposed on a real map. I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the sidelines waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet stack he's written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's only DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I haven't found a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are some limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS). I will get back to it. I promise. :) -brian

12 years, 4 months

Public access?

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 24 Sep 2013, at 22:01, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-09-24 19:50, Dennis Boone wrote: OK, simple HTML table with: - System name - Type - Services offered - Guest account? - Registrable accounts? - Telnet link We put that up on a website somewhere. I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and post the results on a web page. Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic and heavy. :-) It won't be that bad - 1 line of CSV between two tags at the bottom of INFO.TXT. Anything that parses right goes into the HTML, HTML gets uploaded to wherever. Update once a month. E.g. .BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES CHIMPY|AlphaServer DS10|VMS accounts, launch pad to other systems|No|Yes|telnet://chimpy.sampsa.com .END-PUBLIC-SERVICES

12 years, 4 months

Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

Ok, 5 lines. :) first you need to enable DECnet routing: decnet routing X.Y (where X.Y is the DECnet address you want to give it) decnet node-type area Then you need to add this to the interface that talks to your DECnet LAN segment: decnet cost 10 Then you need to allow my config tool to talk to your router: access-list 10 permit 37.59.44.141 snmp-server community <community name> RW 10 Then you just need to get me all that info I asked for and we should be good. The machine running the config tool is down right now so I'm in no hurry. :) -brian On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 11:37:23PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote: I have no idea how to set up GRE, but I believe the DECbrouter I have can do it, does anyone have any pointers on how to set it up? I will also want to add GRE to my user mode router when I get chance, but for DEC Legacy using the brouter might be nice. Once I can get it (the brouter) working let me know how to update your db with the IP address. Question though, does the IP address change have to be made manually or could it be automatic? Thanks Rob On 22 September 2013 23:32, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: If you want to use the GRE tunnels I can give you access to the db to update your IP. -brian On Sep 22, 2013, at 16:18, "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote: I don't have multinet and I have never installed it. What protocol does it use under the covers, is it something proprietary to multinet? Could I get the DECbrouter I bought recently to interoperate with your side? If it is not too hard I could try implementing Multinet interop in my user mode router. Regards Rob From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Steve Davidson Sent: 22 September 2013 11:43 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct If you decide to use Multinet and have access to a dynamic DNS name, then I can link SG1:: to it via the SW at this end. It is completely automated. If we can manage to install Multinet on GORVAX:: then the links would be even faster. -Steve _____ From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Mark Wickens Sent: Sat 9/21/2013 16:18 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Connecting to HECnet from DEC Legacy 19-20 Oct On 21/09/2013 21:12, Robert Jarratt wrote: I am hoping to connect to HECnet from the DEC Legacy event in October, hopefully connecting a few interesting systems to HECnet and allowing attendees to explore HECnet. I would be using a USB 3G device to do this, so I wouldn't know my IP until the day itself. Is there anyone with a bridge on HECnet who would be available during UK daytime on those days to configure their bridge to peer with me? There may be more than one change of IP address over the course of the weekend though. Are there any other options? Thanks Rob Rob, Obviously I will have my home bridge going, so maybe we can keep this in-house with a bit of experimentation? I think this is maybe what I did last time, I really can't remember but it makes a lot of sense and it does shake my memory a bit! Mark. <winmail.dat>

12 years, 4 months

Public access?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-09-24 19:50, Dennis Boone wrote: > OK, simple HTML table with: > - System name > - Type > - Services offered > - Guest account? > - Registrable accounts? > - Telnet link > We put that up on a website somewhere. I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and post the results on a web page. Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly scraping that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems optimistic and heavy. :-) Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll drop the idea for now. There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network map around. Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something superimposed on a real map. Johnny

12 years, 4 months

Public access?

by sampsa＠mac.com

I'd love to do this on RHESUS:: since it had Apache running on it, could've kept it more or less constantly updated. However RHESUS is offline for some reason and I'm 2000+ miles away from its physical location. So I'll write the scraper on another box and produce an HTML table of public HECnet services. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 24 Sep 2013, at 20:02, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 09/24/2013 01:50 PM, Dennis Boone wrote: OK, simple HTML table with: - System name - Type - Services offered - Guest account? - Registrable accounts? - Telnet link We put that up on a website somewhere. I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and post the results on a web page. I like this idea. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 4 months

Public access?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Somebody come up with the format (ideally CSV separated by pipe | signs) and I'll write a crawler -> HTML converter. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 24 Sep 2013, at 20:02, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 09/24/2013 01:50 PM, Dennis Boone wrote: OK, simple HTML table with: - System name - Type - Services offered - Guest account? - Registrable accounts? - Telnet link We put that up on a website somewhere. I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and post the results on a web page. I like this idea. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 4 months

Public access?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 09/24/2013 01:50 PM, Dennis Boone wrote: OK, simple HTML table with: - System name - Type - Services offered - Guest account? - Registrable accounts? - Telnet link We put that up on a website somewhere. I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and post the results on a web page. I like this idea. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 4 months

Public access?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Good idea, one line of CSV with some tags around it maybe (.BEGIN-PUB / .END-PUB).. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 24 Sep 2013, at 19:50, Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> wrote: OK, simple HTML table with: - System name - Type - Services offered - Guest account? - Registrable accounts? - Telnet link We put that up on a website somewhere. I'd think the way to do this would be for everyone to document their public services in an extension (.BEGIN-PUBLIC-SERVICES?) to the existing INFO.TXT file. Then have CHIMPY or somebody harvest those and post the results on a web page. De

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