On 09/23/2013 06:31 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
The ITS machines at MIT all seemed to have two letter names. I
definitely had an account on AI.
I have that machine. My machines were AI and ML.AI.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2013-09-23 23:56, Pontus wrote:
On 09/23/2013 04:29 PM, Clem Cole wrote:
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at update.uu.se
<mailto:pontus at update.uu.se>> wrote:
I recall that it was a KA10,
but did KA10's run TOPS-20?
I think you are right, but my memory is fuzzy on all this now. IIRC
with the MIT/BBN pager modification, KA10's could run ITS or TENEX
(aka twinex - which was the Tops-20 pre-cursor ). Folks like dvk or
supnik are likely to remember, so I'll try to remember to ask one of
them when I see them next. A number of DARPA contractors had modified
processors and I'm pretty sure it took a processor modification to run
TENEX.
I loved TENEX until I was seduced by UNIX -- maybe its the X in the
name that takes you to darkside ;-)
I found the passage in the book, page 107 in this edition, sadly it
doesn't say much :(
<quote>
Instead, I sat and watched the hacker deliberately connect to the MX
computer, a PDP-10 at the MIT artificial intelligence labs in Cambridge,
Massachusetts. He logged in as user Litwin and spent almost an hour
learning how to operate that computer. He seemed quite unaccustomed to
the MIT system, and he'd frequently ask for the automated help facility.
In an hour, he'd learned little more than how to list files.
Perhaps because artificial intelligence research is so arcane, he didn't
find much. Certainly the antique operating system didn't provide much
protection - any user could read anyone else's files. But the hacker
didn't realize this. The sheer impossibility of understanding this
system protected their information.
</quote>
"Sheer impossibility" - makes me think ITS :) Further on he comes back
to the PDP-10:
<quote>
MIT. I'd forgotten to warn them. I called Karen Sollins of their
computer department and told her about Friday night's intrusion. "Don't
worry," she sais, "there's not much on that computer, and we're throwing
it away in a few weeks."
<quote>
So anyone really interested should find Karen Sollins.
I think I actually logged in to MX once or twice. Yes, that was indeed ITS... For some reason I also think it was a KS, but I could be wrong on that one...
The ITS machines at MIT all seemed to have two letter names. I definitely had an account on AI.
And yes, ITS can appear cryptic beyond belief.
Johnny
Hello!
I'd rather see a bootable pack containing ITS plus everything needed
to make the pest work properly.
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On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 09/23/2013 06:16 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
When I read the book for the first time, I was surprised. Both at the
fink's lack of talent in how to talk to a PDP-10's OS (any) and then
his talents for doing things that most of us would want to do one way
or the other. And naturally not do because its really not legal.......
Dave is that system running? Or is it shutdown and waiting?
Shutdown and waiting. It needs a MASSBUS drive to boot from. I'm
pursuing some possibilities on that front, but very slowly.
You really need to get one so I can run TOPS-10 on it. ;)
I'm trying.
You then see a crowd of yetis and a bigger crowd of snow leopards at
work, at a machine. You see your available bandwidth shrink and then
realize that's what they are using.
Damn yetis are surfing porn again!
In emacs!!
Hey, it's a great OS for that. ;)
Too true!
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 09/23/2013 06:15 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
It's very likely that that very computer is here. Two of the three
PDP-10s from the MIT AI Lab are here.
Possible. Planning on running ITS on one? ;)
I haven't decided yet. Too many things to do before I even worry
about that.
You should let me install TOPS-10 on one of them.
Maybe!
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 09/23/2013 06:16 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
When I read the book for the first time, I was surprised. Both at the
fink's lack of talent in how to talk to a PDP-10's OS (any) and then
his talents for doing things that most of us would want to do one way
or the other. And naturally not do because its really not legal.......
Dave is that system running? Or is it shutdown and waiting?
Shutdown and waiting. It needs a MASSBUS drive to boot from. I'm
pursuing some possibilities on that front, but very slowly.
You really need to get one so I can run TOPS-10 on it. ;)
I'm trying.
You then see a crowd of yetis and a bigger crowd of snow leopards at
work, at a machine. You see your available bandwidth shrink and then
realize that's what they are using.
Damn yetis are surfing porn again!
In emacs!!
Hey, it's a great OS for that. ;)
Too true!
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
In all actuality Cory the book reads well in both formats. Now find
yourself a copy of the Nova episode as well.
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They turn and smile at you, and then you see your cats bringing them food.
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/23/2013 06:10 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
When I read the book for the first time, I was surprised. Both at the
fink's lack of talent in how to talk to a PDP-10's OS (any) and then
his talents for doing things that most of us would want to do one way
or the other. And naturally not do because its really not legal.......
Dave is that system running? Or is it shutdown and waiting?
Shutdown and waiting. It needs a MASSBUS drive to boot from. I'm
pursuing some possibilities on that front, but very slowly.
You really need to get one so I can run TOPS-10 on it. ;)
You then see a crowd of yetis and a bigger crowd of snow leopards at
work, at a machine. You see your available bandwidth shrink and then
realize that's what they are using.
Damn yetis are surfing porn again!
In emacs!!
Hey, it's a great OS for that. ;)
-Dave
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/23/2013 06:10 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
When I read the book for the first time, I was surprised. Both at the
fink's lack of talent in how to talk to a PDP-10's OS (any) and then
his talents for doing things that most of us would want to do one way
or the other. And naturally not do because its really not legal.......
Dave is that system running? Or is it shutdown and waiting?
Shutdown and waiting. It needs a MASSBUS drive to boot from. I'm
pursuing some possibilities on that front, but very slowly.
You really need to get one so I can run TOPS-10 on it. ;)
You then see a crowd of yetis and a bigger crowd of snow leopards at
work, at a machine. You see your available bandwidth shrink and then
realize that's what they are using.
Damn yetis are surfing porn again!
In emacs!!
Hey, it's a great OS for that. ;)
-Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
It's very likely that that very computer is here. Two of the three
PDP-10s from the MIT AI Lab are here.
Possible. Planning on running ITS on one? ;)
You should let me install TOPS-10 on one of them.
http://www.neurotica.com/misc/DECsystem-2020s.jpg
The (original from MIT) handwritten label on the front of the
rightmost one says "This is ML.AI, an ITS".
-Dave
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 09/23/2013 06:10 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
When I read the book for the first time, I was surprised. Both at the
fink's lack of talent in how to talk to a PDP-10's OS (any) and then
his talents for doing things that most of us would want to do one way
or the other. And naturally not do because its really not legal.......
Dave is that system running? Or is it shutdown and waiting?
Shutdown and waiting. It needs a MASSBUS drive to boot from. I'm
pursuing some possibilities on that front, but very slowly.
You then see a crowd of yetis and a bigger crowd of snow leopards at
work, at a machine. You see your available bandwidth shrink and then
realize that's what they are using.
Damn yetis are surfing porn again!
In emacs!!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013, Pontus wrote:
I found the passage in the book, page 107 in this edition, sadly it doesn't say much :(
I need to get a paper/hardcopy edition. It will complement my Microsoft Mouse Programmer's Reference.
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http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
