On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 11:39:14 +0200, you wrote:
Note the english names for 33 and 34. In dutch the elements are called
koolstof and zuurstof and these names are obviously too long.
Any suggestions for names of elements that are 6 characters or less, in
other languages? See my current list on home.zonnet.nl/hvlems
There's one in french: Azote for nitrogen (stikstof).
In Italian:
Elio (He), Litio (Li), Boro (B), Azoto (N), Fluoro (F), Neon (Ne), Sodio
(Na), Zolfo (S), Cloro (Cl), Argon (Ar), Calcio (Ca), Cromo (Cr), Ferro
(Fe), Nichel (Ni), Rame (Cu), Zinco (Zn), Gallio (Ga), Bromo (Br), Ittrio
(Y), Niobio (Nb), Rodio (Rh), Cadmio (Cd), Indio (In), Stagno (Sn), Iodio
(I), Xeno (Xe), Cesio (Cs), Bario (Ba), Afnio (Hf), Renio (Re), Osmio (Os),
Iridio (Ir), Oro (Au), Tallio (Tl), Piombo (Pb), Astato (At), Radon (Rn),
Radio (Ra), Cerio (Ce), Terbio (Tb), Olmio (Ho), Erbio (Er), Tulio (Tm),
Torio (Th), Uranio (U), Curio (Cm), Fermio (Fm).
Reference: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavola_periodica
Note that:
1. Neon (Ne) is also the commonly used name for fluorescent lamps
2. Ferro (Fe) might be used as a synonym for any generic metallic substance
3. Calcio (Ca) means also soccer and kick
4. Stagno (Sn) means also pond and watertight (or airtight)
5. Radio (Ra) means also radio receiver and broadcasting company
HTH, :-)
G.
Hi Kari, a long time ago (summer of '79) I participated on a student
exchange program set up between the technical universities of Poznan (PL)
and Eindhoven (NL). I was the chemist in the dutch team of 4 and did some
work on a fertilizer factory north of Poznan. We lived in a student
dormitory and met people from all over Europe, including a sizeable group of
Finnish students. They introduced us to the sauna, and since warm water had
been turned of (it was summer) that was marvelous news to us. They also came
up with more interesting concepts, like drinking wodka and trying to learn
Polish. I remember mentioning that 7 cases was rather difficult and
(obviously) the Fins dropped off their chairs laughing (that's where ROTFL
comes from). They tried to explain Finnish grammar and I am sure that gave
me the headache, not the wodka :-)
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Kari Uusim ki
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Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update
Hans,
Interesting that you find Finnish beautiful. I've heard that before, but
about song lyrics.
Finnish grammar is widely considered complex. I think that is due to the
fact that its structure differs considerably from most other languages.
One main difference is that pre- or postpositions aren't used at all but
word endings instead.
E.g. house = talo; in(side) the house = talossa ; into the house =
taloon ; out of the house = talosta ; at the house = talolla ; without a
house = talotta ; his house = talonsa.
Btw. Finnish has 14 casi. :)
The newest elements are syntethic an instable in normal conditions (NTP)
AFAIK.
Kari
On 12.7.2010 20:54, H Vlems wrote:
Ummm, Kari let me start with the statement that Finnish is a beautiful
language, quite often spoken by equally beautiful women. But it didn't
strike me as a simple language ;-) rather full of words with many
syllables!
In terms of chemical elements though, Finnish tends to drop the 'h' (e.g.
Tulium instead of Thulium) which brings a few elements within reach.
And Unbium was new to me as well (I'm a chemist but when I was at school
the
periodic table ended at 104, Rf!
Hans
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Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Kari Uusim ki
Verzonden: zondag, juli 2010 23:01
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update
There are the Finnish names for the elemants:
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_alkuaineista
Some are short but most are too long.
On 11.7.2010 1:15, H Vlems wrote:
G ran, that is an interisting list because it offers new possibilities.
The noble gasses work well in dutch, just like the halogens.
Group 6 is interesting. I use OXYGEN and Seleen. But obviously Tellur is
ok
too (is Tellurium in dutch).
Bi is Bismuth in dutch. Vismut works for DECnet.
Current nodes have names and these remain the same even when the area
changes. See my website for a list of names: home.zonnet.nl/hvlems
The collection is ever expanding so I'm always in need of new nodenames.
Thanks for the suggestions,
hans
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G ran hling
Verzonden: zaterdag, juli 2010 21:23
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update
Swedish is also a language, not to distant from the Dutch... (though the
3 letters not beeing US-ASCII - takes some words out of the
possible list of DECnet node names)
He Helium
Ne Neon
Ar Argon
Kr Krypton
Xe Xenon
Rn Radon
F Flour
Cl Klor
Br Brom
I Jod
At Astat
O Syre
S Svavel
Se Selen
Te Tellur
Po Polonium
N Kv ve
P Fosfor
As Arsenik
Sb Antimon
Bi Vismut
C Kol
Si Kisel
Ge Germanium
Sn Tenn
Pb Bly
B Bor
Al Aluminium
Ga Gallium
In Indium
Tl Tallium
For those mentioned in Russinan, to compare:
B Bor
N Kv ve
Ne Neon
S Svavel
Cr Krom
Br Brom
Xe Xenon
U Uran
Have a "happy naming cermony", whatever names are chosen ;-)
/G ran
On 2010-07-10 18:39, H Vlems wrote:
It is too much of an effort to publish all the names of the elements in
dutch and compare them to their russian equivalents.
I can augment your list though:
6OP (B) boor (borium, easily confused with Bohrium)
A3OT (N) stikstof, or azote in french
HEOH (Ne) neon
CEPA (S) zwavel (in polish is this sarkow [after kwas
sarkowy,
sulphuric acid?])
XPOM (Cr) chroom
6POM (Br) broom
KCEHOH (Xe) xenon
YPAH (U) uranium, which gets abbreviated to uraan
I used that trick with Se and As ; selenium and arsenicum are
abbreviated
to
seleen and arseen.
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Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Oleg Safiullin
Verzonden: zaterdag, juli 2010 16:13
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update
On 10.07.2010 16:39, H Vlems wrote:
Area 44 will be extended today with the following 6 nodes:
FLUOR 44.29 Alpha Server 1000A 5/333 VMS 7.3-2
BROOM 44.14 Alpha Server 1200 VMS 7.3-2
IJZER 44.19 Compaq Prof. Workstation VMS 8.3
TIN 44.28 Alpha Server 1200 VMS 8.3
CARBON 44.33 DEC AXP 3000 MODEL 300x VMS 1.5-1H1
OXYGEN 44.34 DEC AXP 3000 MODEL 300x VMS 6.1
done.
Any suggestions for names of elements that are 6 characters or less, in
other languages?
Some of russian names :)
6OP (B)
A3OT (N)
HEOH (Ne)
CEPA (S)
XPOM (Cr)
6POM (Br)
KCEHOH (Xe)
YPAH (U)
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Hans,
Interesting that you find Finnish beautiful. I've heard that before, but about song lyrics.
Finnish grammar is widely considered complex. I think that is due to the fact that its structure differs considerably from most other languages. One main difference is that pre- or postpositions aren't used at all but word endings instead.
E.g. house = talo; in(side) the house = talossa ; into the house = taloon ; out of the house = talosta ; at the house = talolla ; without a house = talotta ; his house = talonsa.
Btw. Finnish has 14 casi. :)
The newest elements are syntethic an instable in normal conditions (NTP) AFAIK.
Kari
On 12.7.2010 20:54, H Vlems wrote:
Ummm, Kari let me start with the statement that Finnish is a beautiful
language, quite often spoken by equally beautiful women. But it didn't
strike me as a simple language ;-) rather full of words with many syllables!
In terms of chemical elements though, Finnish tends to drop the 'h' (e.g.
Tulium instead of Thulium) which brings a few elements within reach.
And Unbium was new to me as well (I'm a chemist but when I was at school the
periodic table ended at 104, Rf!
Hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Kari Uusim ki
Verzonden: zondag, juli 2010 23:01
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update
There are the Finnish names for the elemants:
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_alkuaineista
Some are short but most are too long.
On 11.7.2010 1:15, H Vlems wrote:
G ran, that is an interisting list because it offers new possibilities.
The noble gasses work well in dutch, just like the halogens.
Group 6 is interesting. I use OXYGEN and Seleen. But obviously Tellur is
ok
too (is Tellurium in dutch).
Bi is Bismuth in dutch. Vismut works for DECnet.
Current nodes have names and these remain the same even when the area
changes. See my website for a list of names: home.zonnet.nl/hvlems
The collection is ever expanding so I'm always in need of new nodenames.
Thanks for the suggestions,
hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
G ran hling
Verzonden: zaterdag, juli 2010 21:23
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update
Swedish is also a language, not to distant from the Dutch... (though the
3 letters not beeing US-ASCII - takes some words out of the
possible list of DECnet node names)
He Helium
Ne Neon
Ar Argon
Kr Krypton
Xe Xenon
Rn Radon
F Flour
Cl Klor
Br Brom
I Jod
At Astat
O Syre
S Svavel
Se Selen
Te Tellur
Po Polonium
N Kv ve
P Fosfor
As Arsenik
Sb Antimon
Bi Vismut
C Kol
Si Kisel
Ge Germanium
Sn Tenn
Pb Bly
B Bor
Al Aluminium
Ga Gallium
In Indium
Tl Tallium
For those mentioned in Russinan, to compare:
B Bor
N Kv ve
Ne Neon
S Svavel
Cr Krom
Br Brom
Xe Xenon
U Uran
Have a "happy naming cermony", whatever names are chosen ;-)
/G ran
On 2010-07-10 18:39, H Vlems wrote:
It is too much of an effort to publish all the names of the elements in
dutch and compare them to their russian equivalents.
I can augment your list though:
6OP (B) boor (borium, easily confused with Bohrium)
A3OT (N) stikstof, or azote in french
HEOH (Ne) neon
CEPA (S) zwavel (in polish is this sarkow [after kwas sarkowy,
sulphuric acid?])
XPOM (Cr) chroom
6POM (Br) broom
KCEHOH (Xe) xenon
YPAH (U) uranium, which gets abbreviated to uraan
I used that trick with Se and As ; selenium and arsenicum are abbreviated
to
seleen and arseen.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Oleg Safiullin
Verzonden: zaterdag, juli 2010 16:13
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update
On 10.07.2010 16:39, H Vlems wrote:
Area 44 will be extended today with the following 6 nodes:
FLUOR 44.29 Alpha Server 1000A 5/333 VMS 7.3-2
BROOM 44.14 Alpha Server 1200 VMS 7.3-2
IJZER 44.19 Compaq Prof. Workstation VMS 8.3
TIN 44.28 Alpha Server 1200 VMS 8.3
CARBON 44.33 DEC AXP 3000 MODEL 300x VMS 1.5-1H1
OXYGEN 44.34 DEC AXP 3000 MODEL 300x VMS 6.1
done.
Any suggestions for names of elements that are 6 characters or less, in
other languages?
Some of russian names :)
6OP (B)
A3OT (N)
HEOH (Ne)
CEPA (S)
XPOM (Cr)
6POM (Br)
KCEHOH (Xe)
YPAH (U)
Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht.
Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com
Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2992 - datum van uitgifte:
07/09/10
20:36:00
Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht.
Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com
Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2992 - datum van uitgifte:
07/09/10
20:36:00
.
Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht.
Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com
Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2998 - datum van uitgifte: 07/12/10
08:36:00
.
Ummm, Kari let me start with the statement that Finnish is a beautiful
language, quite often spoken by equally beautiful women. But it didn't
strike me as a simple language ;-) rather full of words with many syllables!
In terms of chemical elements though, Finnish tends to drop the 'h' (e.g.
Tulium instead of Thulium) which brings a few elements within reach.
And Unbium was new to me as well (I'm a chemist but when I was at school the
periodic table ended at 104, Rf!
Hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Kari Uusim ki
Verzonden: zondag, juli 2010 23:01
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update
There are the Finnish names for the elemants:
http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luettelo_alkuaineista
Some are short but most are too long.
On 11.7.2010 1:15, H Vlems wrote:
G ran, that is an interisting list because it offers new possibilities.
The noble gasses work well in dutch, just like the halogens.
Group 6 is interesting. I use OXYGEN and Seleen. But obviously Tellur is
ok
too (is Tellurium in dutch).
Bi is Bismuth in dutch. Vismut works for DECnet.
Current nodes have names and these remain the same even when the area
changes. See my website for a list of names: home.zonnet.nl/hvlems
The collection is ever expanding so I'm always in need of new nodenames.
Thanks for the suggestions,
hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
G ran hling
Verzonden: zaterdag, juli 2010 21:23
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update
Swedish is also a language, not to distant from the Dutch... (though the
3 letters not beeing US-ASCII - takes some words out of the
possible list of DECnet node names)
He Helium
Ne Neon
Ar Argon
Kr Krypton
Xe Xenon
Rn Radon
F Flour
Cl Klor
Br Brom
I Jod
At Astat
O Syre
S Svavel
Se Selen
Te Tellur
Po Polonium
N Kv ve
P Fosfor
As Arsenik
Sb Antimon
Bi Vismut
C Kol
Si Kisel
Ge Germanium
Sn Tenn
Pb Bly
B Bor
Al Aluminium
Ga Gallium
In Indium
Tl Tallium
For those mentioned in Russinan, to compare:
B Bor
N Kv ve
Ne Neon
S Svavel
Cr Krom
Br Brom
Xe Xenon
U Uran
Have a "happy naming cermony", whatever names are chosen ;-)
/G ran
On 2010-07-10 18:39, H Vlems wrote:
It is too much of an effort to publish all the names of the elements in
dutch and compare them to their russian equivalents.
I can augment your list though:
6OP (B) boor (borium, easily confused with Bohrium)
A3OT (N) stikstof, or azote in french
HEOH (Ne) neon
CEPA (S) zwavel (in polish is this sarkow [after kwas sarkowy,
sulphuric acid?])
XPOM (Cr) chroom
6POM (Br) broom
KCEHOH (Xe) xenon
YPAH (U) uranium, which gets abbreviated to uraan
I used that trick with Se and As ; selenium and arsenicum are abbreviated
to
seleen and arseen.
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Oleg Safiullin
Verzonden: zaterdag, juli 2010 16:13
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Area 44 - update
On 10.07.2010 16:39, H Vlems wrote:
Area 44 will be extended today with the following 6 nodes:
FLUOR 44.29 Alpha Server 1000A 5/333 VMS 7.3-2
BROOM 44.14 Alpha Server 1200 VMS 7.3-2
IJZER 44.19 Compaq Prof. Workstation VMS 8.3
TIN 44.28 Alpha Server 1200 VMS 8.3
CARBON 44.33 DEC AXP 3000 MODEL 300x VMS 1.5-1H1
OXYGEN 44.34 DEC AXP 3000 MODEL 300x VMS 6.1
done.
Any suggestions for names of elements that are 6 characters or less, in
other languages?
Some of russian names :)
6OP (B)
A3OT (N)
HEOH (Ne)
CEPA (S)
XPOM (Cr)
6POM (Br)
KCEHOH (Xe)
YPAH (U)
Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht.
Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com
Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2992 - datum van uitgifte:
07/09/10
20:36:00
Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht.
Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com
Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2992 - datum van uitgifte:
07/09/10
20:36:00
.
Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht.
Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com
Versie: 9.0.830 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/2998 - datum van uitgifte: 07/12/10
08:36:00
Yup, might do that at some point, but I have a working setup that I'd just like to move across from the 4100 to the DS20E...
Sampsa
On 12 Jul 2010, at 18:10, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
Technically yes, but the KZPAC limitations are many.
Why not buy a SA5302 to use newer,bigger and more disks?
Kari
On 12.7.2010 19:30, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
I'm considering buying a DS20E alphaserver to replace my broken 4100,
and was wondering if it is possible to move the KZPAC controller from
the 4100 into the DS20E (and thus enable me to use the two RAID packs as
disks for the DS20)...
Sampsa
.
Technically yes, but the KZPAC limitations are many.
Why not buy a SA5302 to use newer,bigger and more disks?
Kari
On 12.7.2010 19:30, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
I'm considering buying a DS20E alphaserver to replace my broken 4100,
and was wondering if it is possible to move the KZPAC controller from
the 4100 into the DS20E (and thus enable me to use the two RAID packs as
disks for the DS20)...
Sampsa
.
Guys,
I'm considering buying a DS20E alphaserver to replace my broken 4100, and was wondering if it is possible to move the KZPAC controller from the 4100 into the DS20E (and thus enable me to use the two RAID packs as disks for the DS20)...
Sampsa
There is the system management menu (SYS$EXAMPLES:MGRMENU.COM) which you can easily modify to produce your own menu functions.
Kari
On 12.7.2010 5:21, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yup, figured as much, see my last message :)
Sampsa
On 12 Jul 2010, at 03:20, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 1:16 AM +0100 7/12/10, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm planning on making a sort of "portal" for connecting to external
systems from CHIMPY, i.e. create a captive user with a login script
that shows a list of destinations (either SET HOST or TELNET). Any
recommendations for which of the many menu programs from the Freeware
disks to use?
I'd just use a DCL script. I did something like this years ago, and my
wife used it to access her email.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
.
Yup, figured as much, see my last message :)
Sampsa
On 12 Jul 2010, at 03:20, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 1:16 AM +0100 7/12/10, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm planning on making a sort of "portal" for connecting to external systems from CHIMPY, i.e. create a captive user with a login script that shows a list of destinations (either SET HOST or TELNET). Any recommendations for which of the many menu programs from the Freeware disks to use?
I'd just use a DCL script. I did something like this years ago, and my wife used it to access her email.
Zane
--
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator |
| healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast |
| | Photographer |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| My flickr Photostream |
| http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |
OK, so I rolled my own. A very quick and dirty DCL hack, but it seems to work (thanks Steve).
Anyone want their system to be listed on this (log on to CHIMPY as user LAUNCH to see what I'm talking about , I took the liberty of adding WOPR and MIM for testing purposes, let me know if you want them delisted)...
Sampsa
On 12 Jul 2010, at 02:04, Sampsa Laine wrote:
That does sound interesting, but I'm just looking for an easy to configure menu that launches DCL commands.
I know I could write a script, but if something nicer is already out there, I'd prefer to use that...
Sampsa
On 12 Jul 2010, at 01:43, Jason Stevens wrote:
A few weeks ago I found this bbs software written in DEC Fortran for VMS... I'm not sure if that's what you'd have in mind, but it seemed interesting.....
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Guys,
I'm planning on making a sort of "portal" for connecting to external systems from CHIMPY, i.e. create a captive user with a login script that shows a list of destinations (either SET HOST or TELNET). Any recommendations for which of the many menu programs from the Freeware disks to use?
Sampsa
