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3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by Alastair.Boyanich＠au.fujitsu.com

G'day Dave, The "UNIX PC" is the 7300, which is nearly identical to the 3B1. The 3B1 has a slightly larger top cover to accommodate a full-height hard drive, while the 7300 will only hold a half-height drive. They are otherwise identical, using 68010s. Okay. I've seen one of the 68010 jobs and repaired the psu for a friend in the early 90's with a discard he'd taken home from work. It's all pretty vague as this was about 1993, 1994. I'd sure like to know more about the "proprietary cpu" version you're talking about. Same guy had some "other" VME (Might not've been.. was rack mount and telco power) AT&T gear at work that I saw a couple of times. Moved a couple of bin's off the system and tried to get it running on the m68k system he had at home which didn't work. We were pretty in the dark about these things and doco was scarce and assumed that "AT&T meant they were compatible". The idea behind the home machine was a learning exercise, fiddle system for home. Old guy that managed a lot of the esoteric stuff at his work said when we questioned the incompatibility said "of course not. It's older than the m68k workstation, and it's all micro-coded off bit-sliced CPU's". Maybe it wasn't? Either way, the rack stuff's binaries were not runnable on the SysV r3.5 m68k jobs. I only really remember it because AT&T stuff was around '93/94 pretty unique here in Australia. At the time I was pretty obsessed with HP/Apollo and SGI kit. Al.

12 years, 7 months

Area 11 going offline for sometime

by setala＠gmail.com

Rob, 2 MicroVAX 3400's went to Sampsa. I still have one VAX 6310 to give away (diskless). I just wonder is it any use to ship those PDP-11 parts, since it's going to be expensive. --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote: I d love the PSU (or at least some of the boards from the PSU) from the 11/24. Not that I would really advocate parting it out, but if you can t find a home for it I have a faulty PSU in my 11/24 and I have yet to successfully run my machine. If you were to part it out I suppose the other boards would be good too What VAXen do you have? Regards Rob From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Saku Set l Sent: 28 November 2012 15:29 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 11 going offline for sometime Here's a poor photo, PDP-11/24 on left, some SparcStations on right. https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/604137_4787358489318… How much space do you have? I have 50+ VAXen... --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:25 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: How big is a PDP 11/24, physically? Sampsa On 28 Nov 2012, at 17:24, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Sampsa, I'm here in Espoo, the junk^H^H^H treasures are at Pasila. Do you want to have a PDP-11/24? Or are you interested about Sun SS1+? --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:19 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: If you want to temporarily host any equipment at my place, I've got the space and a decent-ish HECnet connection in Kirkkonummi. Where are you based in Finland? Sampsa On 28 Nov 2012, at 17:18, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: 2 MicroVAX 3400's on their way to their new home.. no problem to fit into my Smart 4Four https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395143_4787315808251… --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Well that sucks. On 28 Nov 2012, at 16:03, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: > After a decade of running, I have to shut down and move the cluster. > > Planning to be back online after a while, but don't hold your breath.. > > Regards, > > Saku >

12 years, 7 months

Area 11 going offline for sometime

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

I d love the PSU (or at least some of the boards from the PSU) from the 11/24. Not that I would really advocate parting it out, but if you can t find a home for it I have a faulty PSU in my 11/24 and I have yet to successfully run my machine. If you were to part it out I suppose the other boards would be good too What VAXen do you have? Regards Rob From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Saku Set l Sent: 28 November 2012 15:29 To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 11 going offline for sometime Here's a poor photo, PDP-11/24 on left, some SparcStations on right. https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/604137_4787358489318… How much space do you have? I have 50+ VAXen... --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:25 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: How big is a PDP 11/24, physically? Sampsa On 28 Nov 2012, at 17:24, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Sampsa, I'm here in Espoo, the junk^H^H^H treasures are at Pasila. Do you want to have a PDP-11/24? Or are you interested about Sun SS1+? --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 5:19 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: If you want to temporarily host any equipment at my place, I've got the space and a decent-ish HECnet connection in Kirkkonummi. Where are you based in Finland? Sampsa On 28 Nov 2012, at 17:18, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: 2 MicroVAX 3400's on their way to their new home.. no problem to fit into my Smart 4Four https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/395143_4787315808251… --Saku On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM, <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Well that sucks. On 28 Nov 2012, at 16:03, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: > After a decade of running, I have to shut down and move the cluster. > > Planning to be back online after a while, but don't hold your breath.. > > Regards, > > Saku >

12 years, 7 months

PDP-11/24

by jeep＠scshome.net

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:01 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Area 11 going offline for sometime On 11/28/2012 10:28 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: How big is a PDP 11/24, physically? I'm not exactly sure, I only saw one for a few minutes, and that was about twenty years ago. I believe about the size of a good sized kitchen table. And about fridge sized. (Refrigerator to all of you.) This really depends on what you mean by "PDP-11/24". The processor chassis is quite small (in PDP-11 terms), either a 3U or 6U rack mount box. When built into a *system*, with drives and what not...it will be larger of course. The largest "factory" 11/24 system I've seen was two short racks, not much to it. The 11/24 is a very late-model PDP-11, based on the F-11 chip, same as the 11/23. Not fast, but low power consumption and pretty reliable. Dave this is the fault of a big brown fellow watching you. They allllways do. :-( -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA The 11/24 is a PDP-11/23+ on the UNIBUS. It can accommodate the FPU (chip or board) and the CIS chipset. The size of the unit varies. The largest front panel is 1 DEC system unit (10.5 inches tall) that fits in a 19 inch rack. I managed one of these (a long time ago) that ran RSX-11M with LDP gear. It also ran RTEM-11 (RT-11 Emulator), when I supported RT-11 at DEC Software Services. Several users could work on RTEM-11 at the same time as the LDP hardware was being used. The system never missed a beat! Oh... The entire system ran on two (2) RL02's!!! -Steve

12 years, 7 months

Some musings brought this about AT&T 7300/ 3B1

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 11/27/2012 10:22 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: It seems group that according to a couple of quote reliable but probably not verified sources unquote, that 3B1 is in fact the AT&T 7300 that I mentioned. (I missed this email yesterday) The 3B1 and 7300 are nearly identical. The 7300's chassis only accommodates a half-height hard drive, while the 3B1 has a taller top cover (a "bulge" underneath the monitor mount) accommodates a full-height drive. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Hello! That very loud noise you hear is every single machine (who is turned on) being not very polite. I can imagine that happening. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

12 years, 7 months

3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by b4＠gewt.net

On 27 Nov 2012, at 00:05, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 11/26/2012 02:00 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: He says he's selling an AT&T Unix PC 3B1, only found a monitor and a motherboard that's untested. It'd be a pretty nifty addition to a collection, I'd love a really old school Unix machine. I'd not call the 3B1 "old school", but they're lots of fun. I've had a bunch of them over the years, including used one as my main desktop machine for a while in the late 1980s. I also worked at a store that sold and serviced them. If memory serves, the UNIX dialect that they run is SysV release 2. It's a fairly complete SysV implementation, with a nice, low-overhead GUI called "UA", for User Agent. There is no networking, but there's a (rare) Ethernet card for the machine, which was shipped with an IP stack written by Wollongong. The IP stack ran in short spurts between crashes, but you could use it to get stuff on or off the machine. I have two 3B1s now. I like them a lot. They seem to be very interesting systems. If you really want "old school UNIX", find a 3B2. Or REALLY old school, v7 on a PDP-11. Or v1 on a PDP-7. :p -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 7 months

Some musings brought this about AT&T 7300/ 3B1

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 11/27/2012 10:22 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: It seems group that according to a couple of quote reliable but probably not verified sources unquote, that 3B1 is in fact the AT&T 7300 that I mentioned. (I missed this email yesterday) The 3B1 and 7300 are nearly identical. The 7300's chassis only accommodates a half-height hard drive, while the 3B1 has a taller top cover (a "bulge" underneath the monitor mount) accommodates a full-height drive. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 7 months

Area 11 going offline for sometime

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 11/28/2012 10:28 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: How big is a PDP 11/24, physically? I'm not exactly sure, I only saw one for a few minutes, and that was about twenty years ago. I believe about the size of a good sized kitchen table. And about fridge sized. (Refrigerator to all of you.) This really depends on what you mean by "PDP-11/24". The processor chassis is quite small (in PDP-11 terms), either a 3U or 6U rackmount box. When built into a *system*, with drives and what not...it will be larger of course. The largest "factory" 11/24 system I've seen was two short racks, not much to it. The 11/24 is a very late-model PDP-11, based on the F-11 chip, same as the 11/23. Not fast, but low power consumption and pretty reliable. Dave this is the fault of a big brown fellow watching you. They allllways do. :-( -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 7 months

3B1s and "old school" UNIX, was Re: [HECnet] US Seller with some interesting stuff

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 11/28/2012 10:19 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: Wasn't there some bitsliced cpu variants ? Of the 7300/3B1? No, not that I'm aware of. They're call 68010-based. I know there was the AT&T UNIX PC which was a 68010 + custom external MMU, but there was also a proprietry cpu version I ran into the trap of in a past life. The "UNIX PC" is the 7300, which is nearly identical to the 3B1. The 3B1 has a slightly larger top cover to accommodate a full-height hard drive, while the 7300 will only hold a half-height drive. They are otherwise identical, using 68010s. I'd sure like to know more about the "proprietary cpu" version you're talking about. He's thinking of the WE designed processors that were used in the later units. They were not bit slice but were fabricated using the normal methods. Not surprisingly enough the devices could not even be sold separately. They were ran an appropriately written release of UNIX as native. One of the first applications for them and the later models was in running the first and second generation Electronic Switching Services otherwise known as exchanges. I didn't think he was talking about those at all. Those are the WE32K processors used in the 3B2/5/15/20/etc family. They predate the 3B1 (despite the unfortunate naming) by quite a while. The WE32K family is no more "proprietary" than any other processor. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 7 months

Nodename request

by sampsa＠mac.com

Johnny, Can you allocate 47.11 as GIFTVX and 47.12 as GFTVX2 Thanks, Sampsa

12 years, 7 months

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