On 14 May 2013, at 18:45, "G." <gerry77 at mail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:34:05 -0000, you wrote:
I can't apply the patches because PATH isn't a recognised command. ;)
which seems to involve rebuilding a monitor which results in a CATCH-22.
PATH isn't a recognized command in TWONKY? Anyway, if you have SYS:PATH.EXE,
you may try to build a monitor with PATH command. Look at my MONGEN and you
will see the following:
Maybe in twonky, but I did a from-scratch install.
;Type "command-name,dispatch,flags,unique-bits,PRVTAB-name"
*PATH,,RUNFLG,UNIQ.2,
*
So you should be able to include PATH in a monitor of yours, isn't it? :)
That I CAN do so long as I can get MIC to run and PATH to operate without GALAXY functions operating.
G.
On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:34:05 -0000, you wrote:
I can't apply the patches because PATH isn't a recognised command. ;)
which seems to involve rebuilding a monitor which results in a CATCH-22.
PATH isn't a recognized command in TWONKY? Anyway, if you have SYS:PATH.EXE,
you may try to build a monitor with PATH command. Look at my MONGEN and you
will see the following:
;Type "command-name,dispatch,flags,unique-bits,PRVTAB-name"
*PATH,,RUNFLG,UNIQ.2,
*
So you should be able to include PATH in a monitor of yours, isn't it? :)
G.
Hi all,
once upon a time (!) I collected whatever DECserver software I was able to
find, thinking it would be eventually useful sometime into the future.
Now I see on this mailing list some messages about DECserver software, so I
thought about sharing whatever I know and have, to help others running their
DECservers and maybe to increase my collection too.
Here is what I have:
MNENG1.SYS V1.1C BL46-13
MNENG1_A.SYS V1.1C BL46A-13 From Digital?
MNENG2.SYS V2.0 BL10D-40
MNENG2_DNPG.SYS V2.4 BL50 Copyright Digital Networks, DNPG, LLC
MNENG3_DNPG.SYS V2.4 BL50 Copyright Digital Networks, DNPG, LLC
PS0801ENG.SYS V2.0 BL23
PR0801ENG.SYS V3.3A BL40
DP0601ENG.SYS V2.0 BL29-04
SH1601ENG.SYS V2.2C BL46-13
WWENG1.SYS V1.1C BL46-13
WWENG2.SYS V2.0 BL10D-40
And this is what I miss (both from Digital):
MNENG3.SYS
MNENG4.SYS
Finally, these should be the corresponding DECserver hardware devices:
DECserver 90L+ PROM-based, no firmware
DECserver 90TL MNENG1.SYS or MNENG2.SYS
DECserver 90M (1MB mem) MNENG2.SYS
DECserver 90M (2MB mem) MNENG3.SYS
DECserver 90M+ (4MB mem) MNENG4.SYS
DECserver 100 PS0801ENG.SYS
DECserver 200 PR0801ENG.SYS
DECserver 250 DP0601ENG.SYS
DECserver 300 SH1601ENG.SYS
DECserver 700 (1MB mem) WWENG1.SYS
DECserver 700 (2MB mem) WWENG2.SYS
DECserver 900TM WWENG2.SYS
So, MNENG4.SYS seems to be the most important miss in my collection...
Thanks to everyone, :)
G.
P.S. If you see anything wrong, let me know! :)
On 14 May 2013, at 18:25, G. <gerry77 at mail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:14:22 -0000, you wrote:
Definitely. Maybe a syntax error in SYS:SYSJOB.INI? That unnamed job in "^C"
state is NO good at all. I do not remember exactly what to do (you may want to
check on alt.sys.pdp10), but I think you should ATTACH to that job and try to
give a CCONTINUE to it (its not a typo: CContinue), then ATTACH back.
Can't be. Same SYSJOB.INI works with the included TWONKY monitor.OPR.EXE runs and all processes start.
(I can't start OPR.EXE at all no matter what I do)
Try to CContinue that job and see what happens. Or try to apply TSU04 patches.
But if Galaxy jobs do no start, you'll have to give "manually" to the monitor
whatever command was thought for batch execution (.CTL files).
I can't apply the patches because PATH isn't a recognised command. ;)
which seems to involve rebuilding a monitor which results in a CATCH-22.
G.
On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:14:22 -0000, you wrote:
Definitely. Maybe a syntax error in SYS:SYSJOB.INI? That unnamed job in "^C"
state is NO good at all. I do not remember exactly what to do (you may want to
check on alt.sys.pdp10), but I think you should ATTACH to that job and try to
give a CCONTINUE to it (its not a typo: CContinue), then ATTACH back.
Can't be. Same SYSJOB.INI works with the included TWONKY monitor.OPR.EXE runs and all processes start.
(I can't start OPR.EXE at all no matter what I do)
Try to CContinue that job and see what happens. Or try to apply TSU04 patches.
But if Galaxy jobs do no start, you'll have to give "manually" to the monitor
whatever command was thought for batch execution (.CTL files).
G.
On 14 May 2013, at 18:06, "G." <gerry77 at mail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:23:52 -0000, you wrote:
Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time
2 [OPR] CTY SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 0
4 [OPR] DET751 FILDAE 17 HB 0
5 [OPR] 751 11 ^C 0
I think I should have more jobs than this...
Definitely. Maybe a syntax error in SYS:SYSJOB.INI? That unnamed job in "^C"
state is NO good at all. I do not remember exactly what to do (you may want to
check on alt.sys.pdp10), but I think you should ATTACH to that job and try to
give a CCONTINUE to it (its not a typo: CContinue), then ATTACH back.
Can't be. Same SYSJOB.INI works with the included TWONKY monitor.OPR.EXE runs and all processes start.
(I can't start OPR.EXE at all no matter what I do)
Look at http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10v704_docc/index.html for some
other information, particularly in CMND.MEM (for CCONTINUE) and OPGD.MEM.
Off topic (?) for everyone:
You may want to try to contact /BAH alias Barb on alt.sys.pdp10 and ask her
(it's a lady!) for some suggestions. She is also on alt.folklore.computers.
She worked at DEC on TOPS-10 in the Seventies and Eighties and helped me a
lot. She was the "significant other" of Jim Flemming who once wrote almost all
of the (SMP) code in the TOPS-10 monitor. Every monitor programmer had its
three letter acronym: hers was /BAH, his was /JMF. She still signs herself as
/BAH :) Look for /JMF and /TW (Tony Wachs) in TOPS-10 sources. They were her
friends. She once even went to some public library to read some old sources
and give me some answer; I owe her almost any TOPS-10 knowledge. Another one
very worth a read on alt.sys.pdp10 is Rich Alderson (is he reading here too?)
from the Living Computer Museum.
I might do that. thank you.
This is worth a careful reading. My TOPS-10 setup is a tribute to BAH & JMF:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sys.pdp10/msg/7592579d5fdab7ae
HTH,
G.
P.S. She's a bit grumpy too :PPP
On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:23:52 -0000, you wrote:
Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time
2 [OPR] CTY SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 0
4 [OPR] DET751 FILDAE 17 HB 0
5 [OPR] 751 11 ^C 0
I think I should have more jobs than this...
Definitely. Maybe a syntax error in SYS:SYSJOB.INI? That unnamed job in "^C"
state is NO good at all. I do not remember exactly what to do (you may want to
check on alt.sys.pdp10), but I think you should ATTACH to that job and try to
give a CCONTINUE to it (its not a typo: CContinue), then ATTACH back.
Look at http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10v704_docc/index.html for some
other information, particularly in CMND.MEM (for CCONTINUE) and OPGD.MEM.
Off topic (?) for everyone:
You may want to try to contact /BAH alias Barb on alt.sys.pdp10 and ask her
(it's a lady!) for some suggestions. She is also on alt.folklore.computers.
She worked at DEC on TOPS-10 in the Seventies and Eighties and helped me a
lot. She was the "significant other" of Jim Flemming who once wrote almost all
of the (SMP) code in the TOPS-10 monitor. Every monitor programmer had its
three letter acronym: hers was /BAH, his was /JMF. She still signs herself as
/BAH :) Look for /JMF and /TW (Tony Wachs) in TOPS-10 sources. They were her
friends. She once even went to some public library to read some old sources
and give me some answer; I owe her almost any TOPS-10 knowledge. Another one
very worth a read on alt.sys.pdp10 is Rich Alderson (is he reading here too?)
from the Living Computer Museum.
This is worth a careful reading. My TOPS-10 setup is a tribute to BAH & JMF:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sys.pdp10/msg/7592579d5fdab7ae
HTH,
G.
P.S. She's a bit grumpy too :PPP
On Tue, 14 May 2013, G. wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:55:21 -0000, you wrote:
Are some of your specifically-defined decimal values and similar REQUIRED?
I followed that MONGEN almost exactly and OPR.EXE STILL can't be run!
No, they are to increase the DECnet message size on Ethernet and to set the
DECnet "hello" timer to 90 seconds.
Ah.
Have you checked SYS:SYSJOB.INI against TWONKY? This is mine (working):
I don't think it matters...the same exact SYS:SYSJOB.INI lets OPR.EXE run with thw exact monitor from TWONKY unmodified.
If I log out and back in...I can't run OPR.EXE either.
-----
SET DEFAULT ACCOUNT SYSTEM
LOG
FILDAE
LOG
ACTDAE
LOG
DAEMON
LOG ;GALAXY JOBS
QUASAR
LOG
MIC
!Modern MICs (later than 11C(1231)) don't need this blank line, older ones do.
NODNAM ;Loads INI:NODNAM.INI then starts MX
-----
And what about system jobs? Is there any job in "^C" or "TO" state? Mine are
all in "SL" (sleep) or "HB" (hibernated) mode... Use SYSTAT to check:
-----
Job Who Line# What Size(P) State
1 [OPR] DET751 STOMPR 11+12 SL
2 [OPR] CTY OPR 61+40 HB
3 [OPR] 4 SYSTAT 23+SPY RN
7 [OPR] DET751 FAL-10 115+40 SL
8 [OPR] DET751 FILDAE 17 HB
9 [OPR] DET751 ACTDAE 67+40 SL
10 [OPR] DET751 DAEMON 11+SPY r HB
11 [OPR] DET751 QUASAR 155+40 SL
12 [OPR] DET751 PULSAR 66+40 HB
13 [OPR] DET751 MIC 5+15 SL
14 [OPR] DET751 NML 38+135 HB
15 [OPR] DET751 MX 124+47 HB
16 [OPR] DET751 ORION 51+40 SL
17 [OPR] DET751 NEBULA 27+40 HB
18 [OPR] DET751 CATLOG 147+40 HB
-----
Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time
2 [OPR] CTY SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 0
4 [OPR] DET751 FILDAE 17 HB 0
5 [OPR] 751 11 ^C 0
I think I should have more jobs than this...
Some of the above (e.g. FAL-10, NML and MX) may not be present on your system.
HTH,
G.
--
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On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:55:21 -0000, you wrote:
Are some of your specifically-defined decimal values and similar REQUIRED?
I followed that MONGEN almost exactly and OPR.EXE STILL can't be run!
No, they are to increase the DECnet message size on Ethernet and to set the
DECnet "hello" timer to 90 seconds.
Have you checked SYS:SYSJOB.INI against TWONKY? This is mine (working):
-----
SET DEFAULT ACCOUNT SYSTEM
LOG
FILDAE
LOG
ACTDAE
LOG
DAEMON
LOG ;GALAXY JOBS
QUASAR
LOG
MIC
!Modern MICs (later than 11C(1231)) don't need this blank line, older ones do.
NODNAM ;Loads INI:NODNAM.INI then starts MX
-----
And what about system jobs? Is there any job in "^C" or "TO" state? Mine are
all in "SL" (sleep) or "HB" (hibernated) mode... Use SYSTAT to check:
-----
Job Who Line# What Size(P) State
1 [OPR] DET751 STOMPR 11+12 SL
2 [OPR] CTY OPR 61+40 HB
3 [OPR] 4 SYSTAT 23+SPY RN
7 [OPR] DET751 FAL-10 115+40 SL
8 [OPR] DET751 FILDAE 17 HB
9 [OPR] DET751 ACTDAE 67+40 SL
10 [OPR] DET751 DAEMON 11+SPY HB
11 [OPR] DET751 QUASAR 155+40 SL
12 [OPR] DET751 PULSAR 66+40 HB
13 [OPR] DET751 MIC 5+15 SL
14 [OPR] DET751 NML 38+135 HB
15 [OPR] DET751 MX 124+47 HB
16 [OPR] DET751 ORION 51+40 SL
17 [OPR] DET751 NEBULA 27+40 HB
18 [OPR] DET751 CATLOG 147+40 HB
-----
Some of the above (e.g. FAL-10, NML and MX) may not be present on your system.
HTH,
G.
On Tue, 14 May 2013, G. wrote:
On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:58:59 -0000, you wrote:
It looks like I'm not linking something in to the monitor or not enabling
a certain feature. It'd be helpful if TWONKY provided the output from the
MONGEN dialogue...
In one of your past messages I've seen the output of one of your MONGENs, but
had no time to check it. The only thing I've noticed is that there seem to be
no defaults provided by the program itself, or at least not in the help text.
MONGEN for 7.04 monitors is somewhat different because it was simplified and
made more clear, but the relevant settings are still all there. The following
is the output in MIC format (that is an executable script) of my standard
MONGEN which works flawlessy. I do not remember anymore where I took values
from for parameters where no default is used, anyway it does its thing. I have
not forgotten everything, so if you have questions try to ask me. :)
Here it is:
..RUN MONGEN
;Write MONGEN.MIC (YES,NO)
*Y
;MONGEN for 704 monitors
;
;MONGEN will generate any known TOPS-10 configuration. For information
;about which configurations are supported, please refer to the SPD.
;
;/HELP (PROMPT,SHORT,LONG)
*PROMPT
;Which GEN (SYS,F)
*SYS
;Output(DSK:SYSCNF.MAC)
*DSK:SYSCNF.MAC
;DECsystem10 (KL,KS)
*KL
;CPUs (1,1-6)
*1
;System name
*T10 DECnet node DIECI
;CPU0 serial number (1-10000)
*2034
;Exclude monitor overhead from user run time (YES,NO)
*YES
;EBOX/MBOX runtime accounting (YES,NO)
*YES
;Exclude PI time from user runtime (YES,NO)
*YES
;Account verification (YES,NO)
*YES
;MOS memory (YES,NO)
*YES
;Autoconfigured device options:
; Include SCA (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include Ethernet service (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*YES
; Include SA10 device support (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include RP01/2/3 disks (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include Swapping drums (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include RS04/5 Massbus disks (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Prompt for RP0x/RM0x Massbus disks (NO,YES)
*NO
; Include DX20/RP20 disks (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include TM02/TM03 magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*YES
; Include DX10/TX01/TX02 tapes (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include DX20/TX02 tapes (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include TM78/TU78/TU79 magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include TM10B magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include TC10C magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include BA10/LP100 printers (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include CFE/LP20 printers (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include XY10 plotters (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include CR10 card readers (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include CFE/CD20 card readers (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include CP10/CP10D card punches (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include PC04 paper tape punches (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
; Include PC04 paper tape readers (NO,YES,PROMPT)
*NO
;Types of DTE service to load:
; Load ANF-10 DTE service (YES,NO)
*NO
; Load IBMCOMM DTE service (YES,NO)
*NO
; Load DECnet DTE service (YES,NO)
*YES
; Configure old terminal scanners (NO,YES)
*NO
; How many RSX-20F TTYs on CPU0 (0,0-128)
*0
;
; OPR octal line number (CTY,0-3)
*CTY
; Data set lines
*
;
;Number of Jobs (1-511)
*120
;Maximum pages of core for each job (0,0-16384)
*0
;Total amount of system core in K (512-4096)
*4096
;Number of real-time devices (0,0-77)
*0
;Allow jobs to be locked in core (YES,NO)
*YES
;Guaranteed number of pages for unlocked jobs (0,0-16384)
*10
;Number of pages reserved for locking jobs in Exec Virtual Memory (10,0-?)
*50
;Number of high priority interrupt queues (0,0-15)
*15
;Meter (NO,YES)
*NO
;KASER (NO,YES)
*NO
;MPXSER (YES,NO)
*YES
;PSISER (YES,NO)
*YES
;IPCF (YES,NO)
*YES
;ENQ/DEQ (YES,NO)
*YES
;Disk sets (ALL)
*ALL
;Configure non-autoconfigured hardware (NO,YES)
*NO
;Number of PTYs (20,1-505)
*20
;Network software (YES,NO)
*YES
;Node name
*DIECI
;Number of remote TTYs (485,0-485)
*485
;ANF-10 software (YES,NO)
*NO
;DECnet software (YES,NO)
*YES
; Node name (DIECI)
*DIECI
; Area number of central site (1,1-63)
*1
; Node number of central site (1,1-1023)
*1010
; Router type (ROUTING,NONROUTING)
*NONROUTING
; Transmit password (DECNET20)
*
; Remote terminals (YES,NO)
*YES
;LAT software (YES,NO)
*YES
; Node name (DIECI)
*DIECI
; Number of circuits (20,1-100)
*20
; Service groups
*0
;Decimal "symbol,value"
*MSGMAX,596
*%DLBSZ,1428
*%RTBSZ,1428
*%RTTM3,90000 ;90*1000
*
;Octal "symbol,value"
*M.EDIT,1
*DSDRIC,0
*
;SIXBIT "symbol,value"
*
;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel" for special devices
*
;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel,no.-of-devices"
*
;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel,highest-ac-to-save"
*
;Type "ersatz-device,P,Pn,search-list-type"
*
;Type "command-name,dispatch,flags,unique-bits,PRVTAB-name"
*PATH,,RUNFLG,UNIQ.2,
*
;Terminal class
*
;Additional terminals for classes:
;Class to extend
*
;System default terminal type (TTY)
*TTY
;Which GEN (SYS,F)
*F
;Output(DSK:F.MAC)
*DSK:F.MAC
;Feature set (KL10,KS10)
*KL10
;Standard settings (YES,NO)
*YES
;Which GEN (SYS,F)
=^Z
HTH,
G.
Are some of your specifically-defined decimal values and similar REQUIRED?
I followed that MONGEN almost exactly and OPR.EXE STILL can't be run!
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
