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by gerry77＠mail.com

On Tue, 14 May 2013 21:23:52 -0000, you wrote: Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time 2 [OPR] CTY SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 0 4 [OPR] DET751 FILDAE 17 HB 0 5 [OPR] 751 11 ^C 0 I think I should have more jobs than this... Definitely. Maybe a syntax error in SYS:SYSJOB.INI? That unnamed job in "^C" state is NO good at all. I do not remember exactly what to do (you may want to check on alt.sys.pdp10), but I think you should ATTACH to that job and try to give a CCONTINUE to it (its not a typo: CContinue), then ATTACH back. Look at http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10v704_docc/index.html for some other information, particularly in CMND.MEM (for CCONTINUE) and OPGD.MEM. Off topic (?) for everyone: You may want to try to contact /BAH alias Barb on alt.sys.pdp10 and ask her (it's a lady!) for some suggestions. She is also on alt.folklore.computers. She worked at DEC on TOPS-10 in the Seventies and Eighties and helped me a lot. She was the "significant other" of Jim Flemming who once wrote almost all of the (SMP) code in the TOPS-10 monitor. Every monitor programmer had its three letter acronym: hers was /BAH, his was /JMF. She still signs herself as /BAH :) Look for /JMF and /TW (Tony Wachs) in TOPS-10 sources. They were her friends. She once even went to some public library to read some old sources and give me some answer; I owe her almost any TOPS-10 knowledge. Another one very worth a read on alt.sys.pdp10 is Rich Alderson (is he reading here too?) from the Living Computer Museum. This is worth a careful reading. My TOPS-10 setup is a tribute to BAH & JMF: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sys.pdp10/msg/7592579d5fdab7ae HTH, G. P.S. She's a bit grumpy too :PPP

12 years

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 14 May 2013, G. wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:55:21 -0000, you wrote: Are some of your specifically-defined decimal values and similar REQUIRED? I followed that MONGEN almost exactly and OPR.EXE STILL can't be run! No, they are to increase the DECnet message size on Ethernet and to set the DECnet "hello" timer to 90 seconds. Ah. Have you checked SYS:SYSJOB.INI against TWONKY? This is mine (working): I don't think it matters...the same exact SYS:SYSJOB.INI lets OPR.EXE run with thw exact monitor from TWONKY unmodified. If I log out and back in...I can't run OPR.EXE either. ----- SET DEFAULT ACCOUNT SYSTEM LOG FILDAE LOG ACTDAE LOG DAEMON LOG ;GALAXY JOBS QUASAR LOG MIC !Modern MICs (later than 11C(1231)) don't need this blank line, older ones do. NODNAM ;Loads INI:NODNAM.INI then starts MX ----- And what about system jobs? Is there any job in "^C" or "TO" state? Mine are all in "SL" (sleep) or "HB" (hibernated) mode... Use SYSTAT to check: ----- Job Who Line# What Size(P) State 1 [OPR] DET751 STOMPR 11+12 SL 2 [OPR] CTY OPR 61+40 HB 3 [OPR] 4 SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 7 [OPR] DET751 FAL-10 115+40 SL 8 [OPR] DET751 FILDAE 17 HB 9 [OPR] DET751 ACTDAE 67+40 SL 10 [OPR] DET751 DAEMON 11+SPY r HB 11 [OPR] DET751 QUASAR 155+40 SL 12 [OPR] DET751 PULSAR 66+40 HB 13 [OPR] DET751 MIC 5+15 SL 14 [OPR] DET751 NML 38+135 HB 15 [OPR] DET751 MX 124+47 HB 16 [OPR] DET751 ORION 51+40 SL 17 [OPR] DET751 NEBULA 27+40 HB 18 [OPR] DET751 CATLOG 147+40 HB ----- Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time 2 [OPR] CTY SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 0 4 [OPR] DET751 FILDAE 17 HB 0 5 [OPR] 751 11 ^C 0 I think I should have more jobs than this... Some of the above (e.g. FAL-10, NML and MX) may not be present on your system. HTH, G. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Tue, 14 May 2013 20:55:21 -0000, you wrote: Are some of your specifically-defined decimal values and similar REQUIRED? I followed that MONGEN almost exactly and OPR.EXE STILL can't be run! No, they are to increase the DECnet message size on Ethernet and to set the DECnet "hello" timer to 90 seconds. Have you checked SYS:SYSJOB.INI against TWONKY? This is mine (working): ----- SET DEFAULT ACCOUNT SYSTEM LOG FILDAE LOG ACTDAE LOG DAEMON LOG ;GALAXY JOBS QUASAR LOG MIC !Modern MICs (later than 11C(1231)) don't need this blank line, older ones do. NODNAM ;Loads INI:NODNAM.INI then starts MX ----- And what about system jobs? Is there any job in "^C" or "TO" state? Mine are all in "SL" (sleep) or "HB" (hibernated) mode... Use SYSTAT to check: ----- Job Who Line# What Size(P) State 1 [OPR] DET751 STOMPR 11+12 SL 2 [OPR] CTY OPR 61+40 HB 3 [OPR] 4 SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 7 [OPR] DET751 FAL-10 115+40 SL 8 [OPR] DET751 FILDAE 17 HB 9 [OPR] DET751 ACTDAE 67+40 SL 10 [OPR] DET751 DAEMON 11+SPY HB 11 [OPR] DET751 QUASAR 155+40 SL 12 [OPR] DET751 PULSAR 66+40 HB 13 [OPR] DET751 MIC 5+15 SL 14 [OPR] DET751 NML 38+135 HB 15 [OPR] DET751 MX 124+47 HB 16 [OPR] DET751 ORION 51+40 SL 17 [OPR] DET751 NEBULA 27+40 HB 18 [OPR] DET751 CATLOG 147+40 HB ----- Some of the above (e.g. FAL-10, NML and MX) may not be present on your system. HTH, G.

12 years

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 14 May 2013, G. wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:58:59 -0000, you wrote: It looks like I'm not linking something in to the monitor or not enabling a certain feature. It'd be helpful if TWONKY provided the output from the MONGEN dialogue... In one of your past messages I've seen the output of one of your MONGENs, but had no time to check it. The only thing I've noticed is that there seem to be no defaults provided by the program itself, or at least not in the help text. MONGEN for 7.04 monitors is somewhat different because it was simplified and made more clear, but the relevant settings are still all there. The following is the output in MIC format (that is an executable script) of my standard MONGEN which works flawlessy. I do not remember anymore where I took values from for parameters where no default is used, anyway it does its thing. I have not forgotten everything, so if you have questions try to ask me. :) Here it is: ..RUN MONGEN ;Write MONGEN.MIC (YES,NO) *Y ;MONGEN for 704 monitors ; ;MONGEN will generate any known TOPS-10 configuration. For information ;about which configurations are supported, please refer to the SPD. ; ;/HELP (PROMPT,SHORT,LONG) *PROMPT ;Which GEN (SYS,F) *SYS ;Output(DSK:SYSCNF.MAC) *DSK:SYSCNF.MAC ;DECsystem10 (KL,KS) *KL ;CPUs (1,1-6) *1 ;System name *T10 DECnet node DIECI ;CPU0 serial number (1-10000) *2034 ;Exclude monitor overhead from user run time (YES,NO) *YES ;EBOX/MBOX runtime accounting (YES,NO) *YES ;Exclude PI time from user runtime (YES,NO) *YES ;Account verification (YES,NO) *YES ;MOS memory (YES,NO) *YES ;Autoconfigured device options: ; Include SCA (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include Ethernet service (NO,YES,PROMPT) *YES ; Include SA10 device support (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include RP01/2/3 disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include Swapping drums (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include RS04/5 Massbus disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Prompt for RP0x/RM0x Massbus disks (NO,YES) *NO ; Include DX20/RP20 disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM02/TM03 magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *YES ; Include DX10/TX01/TX02 tapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include DX20/TX02 tapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM78/TU78/TU79 magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM10B magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TC10C magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include BA10/LP100 printers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CFE/LP20 printers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include XY10 plotters (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CR10 card readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CFE/CD20 card readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CP10/CP10D card punches (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include PC04 paper tape punches (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include PC04 paper tape readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ;Types of DTE service to load: ; Load ANF-10 DTE service (YES,NO) *NO ; Load IBMCOMM DTE service (YES,NO) *NO ; Load DECnet DTE service (YES,NO) *YES ; Configure old terminal scanners (NO,YES) *NO ; How many RSX-20F TTYs on CPU0 (0,0-128) *0 ; ; OPR octal line number (CTY,0-3) *CTY ; Data set lines * ; ;Number of Jobs (1-511) *120 ;Maximum pages of core for each job (0,0-16384) *0 ;Total amount of system core in K (512-4096) *4096 ;Number of real-time devices (0,0-77) *0 ;Allow jobs to be locked in core (YES,NO) *YES ;Guaranteed number of pages for unlocked jobs (0,0-16384) *10 ;Number of pages reserved for locking jobs in Exec Virtual Memory (10,0-?) *50 ;Number of high priority interrupt queues (0,0-15) *15 ;Meter (NO,YES) *NO ;KASER (NO,YES) *NO ;MPXSER (YES,NO) *YES ;PSISER (YES,NO) *YES ;IPCF (YES,NO) *YES ;ENQ/DEQ (YES,NO) *YES ;Disk sets (ALL) *ALL ;Configure non-autoconfigured hardware (NO,YES) *NO ;Number of PTYs (20,1-505) *20 ;Network software (YES,NO) *YES ;Node name *DIECI ;Number of remote TTYs (485,0-485) *485 ;ANF-10 software (YES,NO) *NO ;DECnet software (YES,NO) *YES ; Node name (DIECI) *DIECI ; Area number of central site (1,1-63) *1 ; Node number of central site (1,1-1023) *1010 ; Router type (ROUTING,NONROUTING) *NONROUTING ; Transmit password (DECNET20) * ; Remote terminals (YES,NO) *YES ;LAT software (YES,NO) *YES ; Node name (DIECI) *DIECI ; Number of circuits (20,1-100) *20 ; Service groups *0 ;Decimal "symbol,value" *MSGMAX,596 *%DLBSZ,1428 *%RTBSZ,1428 *%RTTM3,90000 ;90*1000 * ;Octal "symbol,value" *M.EDIT,1 *DSDRIC,0 * ;SIXBIT "symbol,value" * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel" for special devices * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel,no.-of-devices" * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel,highest-ac-to-save" * ;Type "ersatz-device,P,Pn,search-list-type" * ;Type "command-name,dispatch,flags,unique-bits,PRVTAB-name" *PATH,,RUNFLG,UNIQ.2, * ;Terminal class * ;Additional terminals for classes: ;Class to extend * ;System default terminal type (TTY) *TTY ;Which GEN (SYS,F) *F ;Output(DSK:F.MAC) *DSK:F.MAC ;Feature set (KL10,KS10) *KL10 ;Standard settings (YES,NO) *YES ;Which GEN (SYS,F) =^Z HTH, G. Are some of your specifically-defined decimal values and similar REQUIRED? I followed that MONGEN almost exactly and OPR.EXE STILL can't be run! -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by bob＠jfcl.com

Johnny Billquist wrote: .nft mim::du:[5,54]*eng*.sys/li Thanks - Dave already sent me V3.3A BL40. Is yours the same version? It's the same size .SYS file as Dave's. And FWIW, I can report that you can indeed define services on the DS200. I did manage to get it working as a console server for the PDPs, although it took a bit of fiddling to get all the settings right. Hint: be sure to define the port as ACCESS REMOTE. And it looks like you also have to set it to AUTOBAUD DISABLED even if you define a baud rate. Bob

12 years

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Tue, 14 May 2013 15:58:59 -0000, you wrote: It looks like I'm not linking something in to the monitor or not enabling a certain feature. It'd be helpful if TWONKY provided the output from the MONGEN dialogue... In one of your past messages I've seen the output of one of your MONGENs, but had no time to check it. The only thing I've noticed is that there seem to be no defaults provided by the program itself, or at least not in the help text. MONGEN for 7.04 monitors is somewhat different because it was simplified and made more clear, but the relevant settings are still all there. The following is the output in MIC format (that is an executable script) of my standard MONGEN which works flawlessy. I do not remember anymore where I took values from for parameters where no default is used, anyway it does its thing. I have not forgotten everything, so if you have questions try to ask me. :) Here it is: .RUN MONGEN ;Write MONGEN.MIC (YES,NO) *Y ;MONGEN for 704 monitors ; ;MONGEN will generate any known TOPS-10 configuration. For information ;about which configurations are supported, please refer to the SPD. ; ;/HELP (PROMPT,SHORT,LONG) *PROMPT ;Which GEN (SYS,F) *SYS ;Output(DSK:SYSCNF.MAC) *DSK:SYSCNF.MAC ;DECsystem10 (KL,KS) *KL ;CPUs (1,1-6) *1 ;System name *T10 DECnet node DIECI ;CPU0 serial number (1-10000) *2034 ;Exclude monitor overhead from user run time (YES,NO) *YES ;EBOX/MBOX runtime accounting (YES,NO) *YES ;Exclude PI time from user runtime (YES,NO) *YES ;Account verification (YES,NO) *YES ;MOS memory (YES,NO) *YES ;Autoconfigured device options: ; Include SCA (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include Ethernet service (NO,YES,PROMPT) *YES ; Include SA10 device support (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include RP01/2/3 disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include Swapping drums (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include RS04/5 Massbus disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Prompt for RP0x/RM0x Massbus disks (NO,YES) *NO ; Include DX20/RP20 disks (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM02/TM03 magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *YES ; Include DX10/TX01/TX02 tapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include DX20/TX02 tapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM78/TU78/TU79 magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TM10B magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include TC10C magtapes (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include BA10/LP100 printers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CFE/LP20 printers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include XY10 plotters (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CR10 card readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CFE/CD20 card readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include CP10/CP10D card punches (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include PC04 paper tape punches (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ; Include PC04 paper tape readers (NO,YES,PROMPT) *NO ;Types of DTE service to load: ; Load ANF-10 DTE service (YES,NO) *NO ; Load IBMCOMM DTE service (YES,NO) *NO ; Load DECnet DTE service (YES,NO) *YES ; Configure old terminal scanners (NO,YES) *NO ; How many RSX-20F TTYs on CPU0 (0,0-128) *0 ; ; OPR octal line number (CTY,0-3) *CTY ; Data set lines * ; ;Number of Jobs (1-511) *120 ;Maximum pages of core for each job (0,0-16384) *0 ;Total amount of system core in K (512-4096) *4096 ;Number of real-time devices (0,0-77) *0 ;Allow jobs to be locked in core (YES,NO) *YES ;Guaranteed number of pages for unlocked jobs (0,0-16384) *10 ;Number of pages reserved for locking jobs in Exec Virtual Memory (10,0-?) *50 ;Number of high priority interrupt queues (0,0-15) *15 ;Meter (NO,YES) *NO ;KASER (NO,YES) *NO ;MPXSER (YES,NO) *YES ;PSISER (YES,NO) *YES ;IPCF (YES,NO) *YES ;ENQ/DEQ (YES,NO) *YES ;Disk sets (ALL) *ALL ;Configure non-autoconfigured hardware (NO,YES) *NO ;Number of PTYs (20,1-505) *20 ;Network software (YES,NO) *YES ;Node name *DIECI ;Number of remote TTYs (485,0-485) *485 ;ANF-10 software (YES,NO) *NO ;DECnet software (YES,NO) *YES ; Node name (DIECI) *DIECI ; Area number of central site (1,1-63) *1 ; Node number of central site (1,1-1023) *1010 ; Router type (ROUTING,NONROUTING) *NONROUTING ; Transmit password (DECNET20) * ; Remote terminals (YES,NO) *YES ;LAT software (YES,NO) *YES ; Node name (DIECI) *DIECI ; Number of circuits (20,1-100) *20 ; Service groups *0 ;Decimal "symbol,value" *MSGMAX,596 *%DLBSZ,1428 *%RTBSZ,1428 *%RTTM3,90000 ;90*1000 * ;Octal "symbol,value" *M.EDIT,1 *DSDRIC,0 * ;SIXBIT "symbol,value" * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel" for special devices * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel,no.-of-devices" * ;Type "device-mnemonic,PI-channel,highest-ac-to-save" * ;Type "ersatz-device,P,Pn,search-list-type" * ;Type "command-name,dispatch,flags,unique-bits,PRVTAB-name" *PATH,,RUNFLG,UNIQ.2, * ;Terminal class * ;Additional terminals for classes: ;Class to extend * ;System default terminal type (TTY) *TTY ;Which GEN (SYS,F) *F ;Output(DSK:F.MAC) *DSK:F.MAC ;Feature set (KL10,KS10) *KL10 ;Standard settings (YES,NO) *YES ;Which GEN (SYS,F) =^Z HTH, G.

12 years

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Tue, 14 May 2013 19:34:06 -0000, you wrote: ?Stopcode CCPNUL, type=STOP, on CPU0 at 14-May-113 15:31:03 CPU Status Block APRID = 660442,,350001 ERA = 000000,,000000 CONI APR, = 007760,,000000 CONI PI, = 000000,,000320 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060001 DATAI PAG, = 700100,,000004 AR ARX Data Word = 000000,,000000 IO Page Fail Word = 000000,,000000 SBUS Diags: CNTRLR FNC 0 FNC 1 000010 006000,,000000 000500,,000000 The following is the latest stopcode list available, and the most updated: http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/tops10v704_docc/01/10,7/docupd/stopcd.mem.h… And it says: Name Module Type Message and Explanation ------ ------ ---- ------------------------------------------------ CCPNUL SYSINI STOP Cannot create PDB for NULL job Probably some value in your MONGEN is not correct, so your monitor cannot allocate something it needs. See my other message with my working MONGEN. HTH, G.

12 years

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-14 18:02, Bob Armstrong wrote: The DS200 will do it just fine though. ... got a DECserver-200/MC - no problem there. Ummm, does anybody have the load software kit for VMS? I just plugged my DS200/MC in only to discover that I don't have the boot image for it. I forgot: .nft mim::du:[5,54]*eng*.sys/li Directory MIM::DU:[5,54] 14-MAY-13 21:56:41 PR0801ENG.SYS;1 378./378. C 21-AUG-01 01:42:37 SH1601ENG.SYS;2 1139./1139. C 17-MAY-12 06:38:41 MNENG1.SYS;1 1159./1159. 09-MAR-09 09:30:50 PS0801ENG.SYS;1 216./216. 18-JAN-11 15:08:25 Total of 2892./2892. Blocks in 4. Files Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

12 years

Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by bqt＠softjar.se

12 years

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013, G. wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 08:00:52 -0000, you wrote: Unfortunately it only /mostly/ works. MARLEY TOPS-10 03:23:12 CTY system 1 Connected to Node MARLEY(0) Line # 632 [Checking terminal type . . . found VT100] ..LOGIN 1,2 ..R OPR [CCPWFD Waiting for file daemon to start] %%TTY STOMPER - Starting And it stalls right there unless I repeatedly hit Ctrl/C... That happened to me more than once with some older pre-built monitors, then went away when I did my own install and build of 7.04, so I do not have a solution, and at the time I hadn't any knowledge about TOPS-10. That does not mean that now I'm very proficient on it, but... I have the reverse issue, surprisingly. The monitor provided with TWONKY works fine, but my generated monitors do not work with it. Upon further investigation, the problem is with OPR.EXE. It WILL NOT execute on my generated monitor. The one provided with TWONKY works fine though. .... Make sure that ORION and other Galaxy processes are all there and that none of them shows a "^C" or "TO" status (IIRC). Also compare processes between TWONKY and your installation and see if there are any differences. It looks like I'm not linking something in to the monitor or not enabling a certain feature. It'd be helpful if TWONKY provided the output from the MONGEN dialogue... OPR is just a client that talks to a daemon process so maybe it just stalls because the daemon is not working, not responding, or not there. Compare contents of SYS:SYSJOB.INI too. HTH, G. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments http://pastebin.com/cAEXpme9 Not sure what I'm doing wrong as to what's keeping it from...doing anything. (I'm fairly certain what's happening is that it's not outputting to CTY) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Progress! DECnet works...but OPR.EXE still can't be run. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments ?Stopcode CCPNUL, type=STOP, on CPU0 at 14-May-113 15:31:03 CPU Status Block APRID = 660442,,350001 ERA = 000000,,000000 CONI APR, = 007760,,000000 CONI PI, = 000000,,000320 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060001 DATAI PAG, = 700100,,000004 AR ARX Data Word = 000000,,000000 IO Page Fail Word = 000000,,000000 SBUS Diags: CNTRLR FNC 0 FNC 1 000010 006000,,000000 000500,,000000 Anyone familiar enough with TOPS-10 OPCODES to tell me where this is crashing? This is right after loading the monitor and pressing GO. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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