On Wed, 15 May 2013 21:47:12 -0000, you wrote:
RUN BATCON seems to not start. It might need started earlier though.
BATCON cannot be RUNned. It gets started by Galaxy when needed.
Try this:
.copy test.ctl=tty:
.dir <--- you have to type the dot too!
^Z
.submit/notify/out:nolog test
[Batch job TEST queued, request #58, limit 0:05:00]
.
[From SYSTEM: Job TEST request #58 finished executing at 0:32:40]
If everything goes well, you'll receive the completion message and there will
be a TEST.LOG file in your directory. TYPE it to see if it's all OK.
/notify let's you know when the job finishes, /output:nolog prevents queueing
the log for printing (given that there is no printer emulation on KLH10...).
HTH,
G.
On Wed, 15 May 2013 21:49:14 -0000, you wrote:
Oh, and there is the patch to enable the idle feature of KLH10 too!
That will be even more helpful!
Patching monitor sources, rebuilding monitor modules and then replacing them
into TOPS10.REL is a bit involved and now here is late evening, so remember me
tomorrow or in a couple of days. :)
For now I'll just write how to patch the monitor file because it's quickier.
First of all, add the following to your KLH10 initialization file:
devdef idler 740 host
Then make a copy of your SYSTEM.EXE and work on the copy:
.R FILDDT
File: xxxxxx.EXE/P <--- /p to enable patching
[Patching file DSKB:xxxxxx.EXE[1,2]]
[35118 symbols loaded from file]
[ACs copied from CRSHAC to 0-17]
<--- FILDDT prints nothing, but it's ready to accept commands
nulcod+1/ <--- type this and nothing more
nulcod+1/ SOJG W,P <--- DDT will show you the contents of that location
nulcod+1/ SOJG W,P CONO 740,1 <--- tell him to put this there instead and
press enter to confirm
<--- if all goes well FILDDT prints nothing again (friendly, isn't it?)
^Z <--- to save and exit
Now try to boot with your patched monitor and see if does idle KLH10. This
monitor will work only if there is a device at address 740.
G.
On Wed, 15 May 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013, G. wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:01 -0000, you wrote:
Disregard, I made some changed to accounting and everything seems
operational now. I can't SET KSYS, but every single other thing works!
KSYS requires BATCON, so maybe there is something wrong with that. Do you have
tweaked your SYS:SYSTEM.CMD file and set the right permissions?
It should contain at least something like this to enable batch processing:
SET BATCH-STREAM 0 TIME-LIMIT 0:10
SET BATCH-STREAM 1 TIME-LIMIT 0:60
SET BATCH-STREAM 2 TIME-LIMIT 10:100000
START BATCH-STREAM 0:2
SET BATCH-STREAM 0:3 NOOPR-INTERVENTION
SET BATCH-STREAM 0 TIME-LIMITS 0:300
SET BATCH-STREAM 1 TIME-LIMITS 0:600
SET BATCH-STREAM 2 TIME-LIMITS 600:6000
SET BATCH-STREAM 3 TIME-LIMITS 0:6000
SET BATCH-STREAM 3 PRIORITY 20:63
START BATCH-STREAM 0:3
is the system.cmd i'm using (stolen from TWONKY)
RUN BATCON seems to not start. It might need started earlier though.
Disregard. I seem to just be impatient.
And something like this to enable remote DECnet file access:
SET FAL-STREAM 0 NETWORK DECNET
SET FAL-STREAM 1 NETWORK DECNET
SET FAL-STREAM 2 NETWORK DECNET
DEFINE FILE-ACCESS DEFAULT-PPN [377777,377777]
START FAL-STREAM 0:2
Those I WILL add though.
You may want to try these commands at the OPR> prompt before putting them into
the SYS:SYSTEM.CMD file.
Status of MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR at 16:39:09 on 15-May-113
Uptime 43:17, 114% Null time = 114% Idle + 0% Lost, 1% Overhead
More than 100% is not very good. It happened to me with a monitor that was
unable to keep time: try some DAYTIME commands in a couple of minutes and
check if it says the correct wall clock time or not...
It's off by about 30 seconds to a minute...not unexpected due to manually
setting the time.
9 [OPR] 751 5 ^C 0
This does not seem very good too: it's not detached, it's running nothing, and
it's in "^C" state... Maybe it's a stale BATCON process?
Yeah, that's a stale job.
HTH,
G.
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On Wed, 15 May 2013, G. wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:38:35 +0200, you wrote:
There is a section in SIG.MEM that explains very clearly and easily how to
create a complete system backup on tape.
To Cory:
I reply to myself because I remembered an important thing: the TOPS-10 V7.05
monitor has a bug that prevents it from initializing new structures when doing
a scratch install. So, if you create a recovery tape containing that monitor,
you'll not be able to initialize disks and proceed with the installation.
The solution I found is a simple patch that adds a single instruction in a
monitor module which got modified during the very last development cycle and
was probably never throughly tested. When you'll be ready and with some spare
time, remember me to tell you how and what to do! :)
That'll be helpful.
Oh, and there is the patch to enable the idle feature of KLH10 too!
That will be even more helpful!
G.
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On Wed, 15 May 2013, G. wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:01 -0000, you wrote:
Disregard, I made some changed to accounting and everything seems
operational now. I can't SET KSYS, but every single other thing works!
KSYS requires BATCON, so maybe there is something wrong with that. Do you have
tweaked your SYS:SYSTEM.CMD file and set the right permissions?
It should contain at least something like this to enable batch processing:
SET BATCH-STREAM 0 TIME-LIMIT 0:10
SET BATCH-STREAM 1 TIME-LIMIT 0:60
SET BATCH-STREAM 2 TIME-LIMIT 10:100000
START BATCH-STREAM 0:2
SET BATCH-STREAM 0:3 NOOPR-INTERVENTION
SET BATCH-STREAM 0 TIME-LIMITS 0:300
SET BATCH-STREAM 1 TIME-LIMITS 0:600
SET BATCH-STREAM 2 TIME-LIMITS 600:6000
SET BATCH-STREAM 3 TIME-LIMITS 0:6000
SET BATCH-STREAM 3 PRIORITY 20:63
START BATCH-STREAM 0:3
is the system.cmd i'm using (stolen from TWONKY)
RUN BATCON seems to not start. It might need started earlier though.
And something like this to enable remote DECnet file access:
SET FAL-STREAM 0 NETWORK DECNET
SET FAL-STREAM 1 NETWORK DECNET
SET FAL-STREAM 2 NETWORK DECNET
DEFINE FILE-ACCESS DEFAULT-PPN [377777,377777]
START FAL-STREAM 0:2
Those I WILL add though.
You may want to try these commands at the OPR> prompt before putting them into
the SYS:SYSTEM.CMD file.
Status of MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR at 16:39:09 on 15-May-113
Uptime 43:17, 114% Null time = 114% Idle + 0% Lost, 1% Overhead
More than 100% is not very good. It happened to me with a monitor that was
unable to keep time: try some DAYTIME commands in a couple of minutes and
check if it says the correct wall clock time or not...
It's off by about 30 seconds to a minute...not unexpected due to manually setting the time.
9 [OPR] 751 5 ^C 0
This does not seem very good too: it's not detached, it's running nothing, and
it's in "^C" state... Maybe it's a stale BATCON process?
Yeah, that's a stale job.
HTH,
G.
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:01 -0000, you wrote:
Disregard, I made some changed to accounting and everything seems
operational now. I can't SET KSYS, but every single other thing works!
KSYS requires BATCON, so maybe there is something wrong with that. Do you have
tweaked your SYS:SYSTEM.CMD file and set the right permissions?
It should contain at least something like this to enable batch processing:
SET BATCH-STREAM 0 TIME-LIMIT 0:10
SET BATCH-STREAM 1 TIME-LIMIT 0:60
SET BATCH-STREAM 2 TIME-LIMIT 10:100000
START BATCH-STREAM 0:2
And something like this to enable remote DECnet file access:
SET FAL-STREAM 0 NETWORK DECNET
SET FAL-STREAM 1 NETWORK DECNET
SET FAL-STREAM 2 NETWORK DECNET
DEFINE FILE-ACCESS DEFAULT-PPN [377777,377777]
START FAL-STREAM 0:2
You may want to try these commands at the OPR> prompt before putting them into
the SYS:SYSTEM.CMD file.
Status of MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR at 16:39:09 on 15-May-113
Uptime 43:17, 114% Null time = 114% Idle + 0% Lost, 1% Overhead
More than 100% is not very good. It happened to me with a monitor that was
unable to keep time: try some DAYTIME commands in a couple of minutes and
check if it says the correct wall clock time or not...
9 [OPR] 751 5 ^C 0
This does not seem very good too: it's not detached, it's running nothing, and
it's in "^C" state... Maybe it's a stale BATCON process?
HTH,
G.
On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:38:35 +0200, you wrote:
There is a section in SIG.MEM that explains very clearly and easily how to
create a complete system backup on tape.
To Cory:
I reply to myself because I remembered an important thing: the TOPS-10 V7.05
monitor has a bug that prevents it from initializing new structures when doing
a scratch install. So, if you create a recovery tape containing that monitor,
you'll not be able to initialize disks and proceed with the installation.
The solution I found is a simple patch that adds a single instruction in a
monitor module which got modified during the very last development cycle and
was probably never throughly tested. When you'll be ready and with some spare
time, remember me to tell you how and what to do! :)
Oh, and there is the patch to enable the idle feature of KLH10 too!
G.
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote:
Awesome!
What does it use for network device?
paul
On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Greetings all,
Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread...
I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10
with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420.
You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password
yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you!
I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate
this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of
the terminal output for future reference though!
Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working
on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd
just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;))
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Hello!
Isn't obvious? The invisible white mice that escaped from that daft
company inside that daft town named for the Greek expression that
really means "This bath water is too hot!".
----
Good going. Now why is a red monster wearing cheap sneakers pounding
on the keyboard of the connected terminal?
I had to summon some demons in order to get TOPS-10 working. It involved
lots of dark magic...
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
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Hello!
That's why I presented those two almost obscure references. And
everything that goes wrong today is still Dave's fault.
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On Wed, 15 May 2013, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: 15 May 2013 21:30
To: Paul_Koning
Cc: hecnet
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update
On Wed, 15 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote:
Awesome!
What does it use for network device?
It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10.
I think it was Rob that was working on the requisite devices in
SIMH...once he
has those tweaked I can attempt this in simh.
Yes, indeed I am, I was sent the code for a KMC/DUP device that I am
adapting to the latest SIMH and also changing around a bit. I am running
into a few problems, but nothing that won't be insurmountable (I hope!). It
may take me a little while to get it done though.
No rush! Good luck!
Regards
Rob
paul
On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Greetings all,
Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread...
I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10
with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420.
You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password
yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you!
I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate
this install
ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal
output for future reference though!
Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it
working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a
KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if
only I had a KS10...;))
--
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
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http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: 15 May 2013 21:30
To: Paul_Koning
Cc: hecnet
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update
On Wed, 15 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote:
Awesome!
What does it use for network device?
It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10.
I think it was Rob that was working on the requisite devices in
SIMH...once he
has those tweaked I can attempt this in simh.
Yes, indeed I am, I was sent the code for a KMC/DUP device that I am
adapting to the latest SIMH and also changing around a bit. I am running
into a few problems, but nothing that won't be insurmountable (I hope!). It
may take me a little while to get it done though.
Regards
Rob
paul
On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Greetings all,
Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread...
I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10
with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420.
You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password
yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you!
I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate
this install
ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal
output for future reference though!
Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it
working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a
KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if
only I had a KS10...;))
--
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
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http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
