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Console terminal switch and/or reverse terminal server suggestion?

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

I just caught up on this thread. If you don't require LAT and want something smaller than the postmasters the Cisco 2509 routers work very well. -brian On May 14, 2013, at 12:07, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote: Guys Here s the situation I ve got several PDP11s and a couple of PDP8s and I want them all to be able to share a single console terminal. I could just use an old fashioned RS232 switch box, but I was looking for something better. For one thing, a smart switch that would actually buffer output from the unselected ports would be nice, and it d be nice to be able to change the selected port from the terminal keyboard. What d be idea is something like the multi session support that some of the later VTxxx terminals had, but with multiple physical ports and without any special host software. It d also be nice if I wasn t limited to just one physical console but I could use any terminal anywhere on the network too. I thought about using a DECserver in reverse LAT for this, but AFAIK the only way to connect to a DECserver in reverse is from a real host system, like VMS or RSX. That means my console terminal would have to connect to a VAX, log in, and from there connect out again to the DECserver and the PDP-11 or 8 console port. Kinda complicated and ugly. I don t think there s any way to have one terminal server connect directly to another terminal server w/o a host system in between, at least not with LAT. Telnet would be OK, if anybody can recommend a multi-port telnet terminal server that works in reverse. It d be especially cool if it can telnet to itself then I could just connect directly from one port on the server to another. Anyway, I was thinking that I can t be the only collector with a bunch of computers and room for only one console, so I thought I d ask what other people are using. Thanks, Bob

12 years, 7 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote: Awesome! What does it use for network device? paul On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Greetings all, Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread... I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420. You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you! I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though! Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;)) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! Isn't obvious? The invisible white mice that escaped from that daft company inside that daft town named for the Greek expression that really means "This bath water is too hot!". ---- Good going. Now why is a red monster wearing cheap sneakers pounding on the keyboard of the connected terminal? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

12 years, 7 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 15 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote: Awesome! What does it use for network device? It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10. I think it was Rob that was working on the requisite devices in SIMH...once he has those tweaked I can attempt this in simh. paul On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Greetings all, Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread... I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420. You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you! I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though! Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;)) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 7 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

Awesome! What does it use for network device? paul On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Greetings all, Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread... I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420. You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you! I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though! Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;)) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 7 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 15 May 2013, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: El 15/05/2013, a les 18:43, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure: Thank you. I'll grab the stuff just in case. Good luck. Oh, and seeing the size of the .tap file, I'm thinking it is a full backup :) Okay. Thanks! BTW, the correct command is /TM03, not /TM3, but I guess you already known that :-P Yup. Just grabbing this incase I break something. SET HOST MARLEY. I've gotten a lot of it working. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 7 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 15/05/2013, a les 18:43, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure: Thank you. I'll grab the stuff just in case. Good luck. Oh, and seeing the size of the .tap file, I'm thinking it is a full backup :) BTW, the correct command is /TM03, not /TM3, but I guess you already known that :-P Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 7 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 15 May 2013, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 15/05/13 00:34, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: which seems to involve rebuilding a monitor which results in a CATCH-22. I don't know if this can be of help... I have uploaded at BITXOV:: the file TOPS10KLB.ZIP, which contains: [BITXOV]$ unzip/list tops10klb Archive: DUA1:[FAL$SERVER]TOPS10KLB.ZIP;1 Length Date Time Namem -------- ---- ---- ---- 22206272 05-10-13 17:40 t10bootkl.tap 120320 05-10-13 12:20 klboot.exe -------- ------- 22326592 2 files klboot.exe is a bootloader which (should) work with KLH10 to boot t10bootkl.tap, which is a KL-bootable 7.04 tape. I made this stuff some months ago, and I was able to install 7.04 under KLH10 (including DECNET suport over ethernet). The details are semi-forgotten (I should have blogged that! :)), but I have just tried to boot the tape and I got into the monitor prompt. Remember to answer '/TM3' to the BOOT> prompt. Thank you. I'll grab the stuff just in case. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 7 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Al 15/05/13 00:34, En/na Cory Smelosky ha escrit: which seems to involve rebuilding a monitor which results in a CATCH-22. I don't know if this can be of help... I have uploaded at BITXOV:: the file TOPS10KLB.ZIP, which contains: [BITXOV]$ unzip/list tops10klb Archive: DUA1:[FAL$SERVER]TOPS10KLB.ZIP;1 Length Date Time Namem -------- ---- ---- ---- 22206272 05-10-13 17:40 t10bootkl.tap 120320 05-10-13 12:20 klboot.exe -------- ------- 22326592 2 files klboot.exe is a bootloader which (should) work with KLH10 to boot t10bootkl.tap, which is a KL-bootable 7.04 tape. I made this stuff some months ago, and I was able to install 7.04 under KLH10 (including DECNET suport over ethernet). The details are semi-forgotten (I should have blogged that! :)), but I have just tried to boot the tape and I got into the monitor prompt. Remember to answer '/TM3' to the BOOT> prompt.

12 years, 7 months

Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update

by b4＠gewt.net

Greetings all, Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread... I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420. You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you! I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though! Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;)) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 7 months

Reviving the DECnet on TOPS-10 project

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 14 May 2013, G. wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2013 22:50:17 -0000, you wrote: That I CAN do so long as I can get MIC to run and PATH to operate without GALAXY functions operating. I think you may try to get MIC running by logging into a new job, then RUNning MIC, then doing CTRL/C twice (that stops the program but does not delete it from core), then giving CCONTINUE to continue it in background, then ATTACH to another job or just DETACH from the MIC job. Only be careful not to KJOB it. HTH, :) G. Everything works now that I've patched it to 7.05! I still have less tasks than I should...but everything seems to work now! -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 7 months

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