On Wed, 15 May 2013, G. wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:01 -0000, you wrote:
Disregard, I made some changed to accounting and everything seems
operational now. I can't SET KSYS, but every single other thing works!
KSYS requires BATCON, so maybe there is something wrong with that. Do you have
tweaked your SYS:SYSTEM.CMD file and set the right permissions?
It should contain at least something like this to enable batch processing:
SET BATCH-STREAM 0 TIME-LIMIT 0:10
SET BATCH-STREAM 1 TIME-LIMIT 0:60
SET BATCH-STREAM 2 TIME-LIMIT 10:100000
START BATCH-STREAM 0:2
SET BATCH-STREAM 0:3 NOOPR-INTERVENTION
SET BATCH-STREAM 0 TIME-LIMITS 0:300
SET BATCH-STREAM 1 TIME-LIMITS 0:600
SET BATCH-STREAM 2 TIME-LIMITS 600:6000
SET BATCH-STREAM 3 TIME-LIMITS 0:6000
SET BATCH-STREAM 3 PRIORITY 20:63
START BATCH-STREAM 0:3
is the system.cmd i'm using (stolen from TWONKY)
RUN BATCON seems to not start. It might need started earlier though.
And something like this to enable remote DECnet file access:
SET FAL-STREAM 0 NETWORK DECNET
SET FAL-STREAM 1 NETWORK DECNET
SET FAL-STREAM 2 NETWORK DECNET
DEFINE FILE-ACCESS DEFAULT-PPN [377777,377777]
START FAL-STREAM 0:2
Those I WILL add though.
You may want to try these commands at the OPR> prompt before putting them into
the SYS:SYSTEM.CMD file.
Status of MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR at 16:39:09 on 15-May-113
Uptime 43:17, 114% Null time = 114% Idle + 0% Lost, 1% Overhead
More than 100% is not very good. It happened to me with a monitor that was
unable to keep time: try some DAYTIME commands in a couple of minutes and
check if it says the correct wall clock time or not...
It's off by about 30 seconds to a minute...not unexpected due to manually setting the time.
9 [OPR] 751 5 ^C 0
This does not seem very good too: it's not detached, it's running nothing, and
it's in "^C" state... Maybe it's a stale BATCON process?
Yeah, that's a stale job.
HTH,
G.
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On Wed, 15 May 2013 20:40:01 -0000, you wrote:
Disregard, I made some changed to accounting and everything seems
operational now. I can't SET KSYS, but every single other thing works!
KSYS requires BATCON, so maybe there is something wrong with that. Do you have
tweaked your SYS:SYSTEM.CMD file and set the right permissions?
It should contain at least something like this to enable batch processing:
SET BATCH-STREAM 0 TIME-LIMIT 0:10
SET BATCH-STREAM 1 TIME-LIMIT 0:60
SET BATCH-STREAM 2 TIME-LIMIT 10:100000
START BATCH-STREAM 0:2
And something like this to enable remote DECnet file access:
SET FAL-STREAM 0 NETWORK DECNET
SET FAL-STREAM 1 NETWORK DECNET
SET FAL-STREAM 2 NETWORK DECNET
DEFINE FILE-ACCESS DEFAULT-PPN [377777,377777]
START FAL-STREAM 0:2
You may want to try these commands at the OPR> prompt before putting them into
the SYS:SYSTEM.CMD file.
Status of MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR at 16:39:09 on 15-May-113
Uptime 43:17, 114% Null time = 114% Idle + 0% Lost, 1% Overhead
More than 100% is not very good. It happened to me with a monitor that was
unable to keep time: try some DAYTIME commands in a couple of minutes and
check if it says the correct wall clock time or not...
9 [OPR] 751 5 ^C 0
This does not seem very good too: it's not detached, it's running nothing, and
it's in "^C" state... Maybe it's a stale BATCON process?
HTH,
G.
On Wed, 15 May 2013 22:38:35 +0200, you wrote:
There is a section in SIG.MEM that explains very clearly and easily how to
create a complete system backup on tape.
To Cory:
I reply to myself because I remembered an important thing: the TOPS-10 V7.05
monitor has a bug that prevents it from initializing new structures when doing
a scratch install. So, if you create a recovery tape containing that monitor,
you'll not be able to initialize disks and proceed with the installation.
The solution I found is a simple patch that adds a single instruction in a
monitor module which got modified during the very last development cycle and
was probably never throughly tested. When you'll be ready and with some spare
time, remember me to tell you how and what to do! :)
Oh, and there is the patch to enable the idle feature of KLH10 too!
G.
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote:
Awesome!
What does it use for network device?
paul
On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Greetings all,
Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread...
I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10
with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420.
You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password
yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you!
I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate
this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of
the terminal output for future reference though!
Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working
on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd
just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;))
--
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Isn't obvious? The invisible white mice that escaped from that daft
company inside that daft town named for the Greek expression that
really means "This bath water is too hot!".
----
Good going. Now why is a red monster wearing cheap sneakers pounding
on the keyboard of the connected terminal?
I had to summon some demons in order to get TOPS-10 working. It involved
lots of dark magic...
-----
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
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http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
That's why I presented those two almost obscure references. And
everything that goes wrong today is still Dave's fault.
-----
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Wed, 15 May 2013, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: 15 May 2013 21:30
To: Paul_Koning
Cc: hecnet
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update
On Wed, 15 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote:
Awesome!
What does it use for network device?
It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10.
I think it was Rob that was working on the requisite devices in
SIMH...once he
has those tweaked I can attempt this in simh.
Yes, indeed I am, I was sent the code for a KMC/DUP device that I am
adapting to the latest SIMH and also changing around a bit. I am running
into a few problems, but nothing that won't be insurmountable (I hope!). It
may take me a little while to get it done though.
No rush! Good luck!
Regards
Rob
paul
On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Greetings all,
Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread...
I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10
with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420.
You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password
yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you!
I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate
this install
ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal
output for future reference though!
Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it
working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a
KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if
only I had a KS10...;))
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
--
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: 15 May 2013 21:30
To: Paul_Koning
Cc: hecnet
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Re: TOPS-10 and DECnet Progress Update
On Wed, 15 May 2013, Paul_Koning wrote:
Awesome!
What does it use for network device?
It's using the NI right now, as it's KLH10.
I think it was Rob that was working on the requisite devices in
SIMH...once he
has those tweaked I can attempt this in simh.
Yes, indeed I am, I was sent the code for a KMC/DUP device that I am
adapting to the latest SIMH and also changing around a bit. I am running
into a few problems, but nothing that won't be insurmountable (I hope!). It
may take me a little while to get it done though.
Regards
Rob
paul
On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Greetings all,
Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread...
I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10
with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420.
You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password
yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you!
I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate
this install
ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal
output for future reference though!
Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it
working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a
KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if
only I had a KS10...;))
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On Wed, 15 May 2013, G. wrote:
On Wed, 15 May 2013 08:51:55 -0000, you wrote:
I still have less tasks than I should...but everything seems to work now!
Which processes do you think you lack? Note that not all the system processes
I wrote about yesterday have to be there. And other processes disappear when
not needed (e.g. BATCON). You may want to paste here your SYSTAT output...
Disregard, I made some changed to accounting and everything seems operational now. I can't SET KSYS, but every single other thing works!
Status of MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR at 16:39:09 on 15-May-113
Uptime 43:17, 114% Null time = 114% Idle + 0% Lost, 1% Overhead
11 Jobs in use out of 120. 11 logged in, 8 detached.
Job Who Line# What Size(P) State Run Time
1 [OPR] DET751 MIC 5+15 SL 0 01
2 [OPR] CTY SYSTAT 23+SPY RN 0
3 [OPR] DET751 FILDAE 17 SL 0
4 [OPR] DET751 DAEMON 11+SPY HB 0
5 [OPR] DET751 ACTDAE 182+40 SL 0
6 [OPR] DET751 QUASAR 111+40 SL 0
7 [OPR] DET751 PULSAR 66+40 HB 0
8 [OPR] DET751 ORION 108+40 SL 0
9 [OPR] 751 5 ^C 0
10 400,400 4 4 ^C 0
11 400,400 DET5 REACT 102+40 ^C 0
n means job runs in HPQ n
High Segments:
Program Device Owner High(P) Users
GLXLIB DSKB [SYS] 40 5
MIC DSKB [SYS] 15 1
Swapping space used = 655/9614 = 7%
Virt. Core used = 689/9614 = 7%
6689P Core left
Active swapping ratio = 23/7378 = .00
Virt. Core saved by sharing = 160/(160+689) = 19%
Average job size =634/11 = 57.6P+215/11 = 19.5P Total=849/11 = 77.1P
No busy devices
System File Structures:
Name Free Mount
DSKA 195870 0
TSU 164700 0
DSKB 7490 2
Total Free 368060
G.
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http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On Wed, 15 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:27 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote:
Awesome!
What does it use for network device?
paul
On May 15, 2013, at 5:13 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Greetings all,
Thought I'd move this in to a cleaner, fresh thread...
I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10 with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420.
You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you!
I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of the terminal output for future reference though!
Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a KS10...;))
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Isn't obvious? The invisible white mice that escaped from that daft
company inside that daft town named for the Greek expression that
really means "This bath water is too hot!".
----
Good going. Now why is a red monster wearing cheap sneakers pounding
on the keyboard of the connected terminal?
I had to summon some demons in order to get TOPS-10 working. It involved lots of dark magic...
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On Wed, 15 May 2013 09:13:28 -0000, you wrote:
I have managed to get a working install of TOPS-10 7.04/7.05 in KLH-10
with DECnet and LAT! I have tested it from my VT420.
Well done! :)
You can test it too! SET HOST to MARLEY and LOGIN as 1,2 (no password
yet...need to tweak that a bit). Let me know how it works for you!
Note that SET HOST to TOPS-10 is quite sluggish because the CTERM protocol
behind it is very VMS centric, so does not adapt very well to the TOPS-10
terminal output primitives. The best thing to do is to use the follwing for
every connection to non VMS hosts:
$ SET HOST /APP=R nodename
This forces VMS to use the older RTERM protocol instead of CTERM, and you'll
see a very noticeable improvement in response times. Even better than LAT.
Unfortunately, RTERM on OpenVMS Alpha V8.3 (and above?) is broken and throws
an ACCVIO fatal error even before trying a connection. :(
I still have a long way to go, and I have NO IDEA if I can replicate this
install ever again...I have saved a complete (857,360 line!) copy of
the terminal output for future reference though!
There is a section in SIG.MEM that explains very clearly and easily how to
create a complete system backup on tape.
Next comes either: getting this working in SIMH, or getting it working on
a real KS10/KL10 (I can likely convert this setup to a KS10, too. I'd
just need to consult the DECnet-10 manuals). Now if only I had a
KS10...;))
The problem with Simh is that it emulates a KS10 CPU without Ethernet... :P
HTH,
G.
P.S. To setup passwords or add users just RUN REACT.
On Wed, 15 May 2013 08:51:55 -0000, you wrote:
I still have less tasks than I should...but everything seems to work now!
Which processes do you think you lack? Note that not all the system processes
I wrote about yesterday have to be there. And other processes disappear when
not needed (e.g. BATCON). You may want to paste here your SYSTAT output...
G.
