I cant say I'm exactly shocked. HP are 8n serious trouble and are shedding stuff to try and stop sinking.
I wonder when Hobbyist licenses will cease issuing...
"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
This just came in from a friend of mine:
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only
be supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL
EVENTUALLY BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome
that it lasted this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this
industry. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm
still breathing!)
I do hope those who have sources (or at least, source listings) will
be able
to preserve them. (hint hint)
Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Say no more.
HP: Hopelessly Pathetic.
--
Mark Benson
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Michael Holmes <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Damn!
I work in federal govt and we have numerous (3 digits) VMS hosts world-wide that never gave us any trouble (especially compared to windoze).
Guess well have to suffer more critical system failures in the future.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:45 PM, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 06/05/2013 08:44 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
This just came in from a friend of mine:
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only
be supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL
EVENTUALLY BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome
that it lasted this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this
industry. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm
still breathing!)
I do hope those who have sources (or at least, source listings) will
be able to preserve them. (hint hint)
Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Say no more.
The world of real computers thanks you.
HP: Hopelessly Pathetic.
Exactly. How the mighty have fallen. Bill and Dave are rolling in their graves.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Don't worry about it. Microsoft said that it would no longer do
anything with DOS some time ago. It's still orderable, but only in an
embedded capacity. I believe some people have gone ahead and made use
of it outside of that capacity.
The other problem is that this is going to further foul up the agency
that thinks it helped in getting me my apartment. They run their
entire establishment on a colony of them. (And badly.) They were at
one point doing it on the VAX. That was done properly. Then they
switched over to Alpha, almost okay. Then probably to the series that
makes use of the Intel abomination. Let's just say it isn't pretty. At
least they are aware of the problem, but they are stuck with it......
----
Incidentally Dave we aren't blaming you for this one. We are however
doing so for a guy named Murphy.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Damn!
I work in federal govt and we have numerous (3 digits) VMS hosts world-wide that never gave us any trouble (especially compared to windoze).
Guess well have to suffer more critical system failures in the future.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:45 PM, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 06/05/2013 08:44 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
This just came in from a friend of mine:
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only
be supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL
EVENTUALLY BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome
that it lasted this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this
industry. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm
still breathing!)
I do hope those who have sources (or at least, source listings) will
be able to preserve them. (hint hint)
Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Say no more.
The world of real computers thanks you.
HP: Hopelessly Pathetic.
Exactly. How the mighty have fallen. Bill and Dave are rolling in their graves.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello all,
I've recently gotten my Cisco 7200 working. (by "recently" I mean within the past hour...)
Brian, can you update the config generator and change Ethernet1/0 to FastEthernet1/0 and push a new config?
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
On 06/05/2013 08:44 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
This just came in from a friend of mine:
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only
be supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL
EVENTUALLY BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome
that it lasted this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this
industry. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm
still breathing!)
I do hope those who have sources (or at least, source listings) will
be able to preserve them. (hint hint)
Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Say no more.
The world of real computers thanks you.
HP: Hopelessly Pathetic.
Exactly. How the mighty have fallen. Bill and Dave are rolling in their graves.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
This just came in from a friend of mine:
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only
be supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL
EVENTUALLY BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome
that it lasted this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this
industry. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm
still breathing!)
I do hope those who have sources (or at least, source listings) will
be able to preserve them. (hint hint)
Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Say no more.
HP: Hopelessly Pathetic.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
This just came in from a friend of mine:
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only be supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL EVENTUALLY BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome that it lasted this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this industry. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm still breathing!)
I do hope those who have sources (or at least, source listings) will be able to preserve them. (hint hint)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Can anyone point me to copies (online scanned documents would be fine) of the DEC Systems and Options Catalog pre 1980? Bitsavers has one from 1983, but I need something earlier. Price lists would be OK too I m not exactly sure when DEC started publishing the SOC.
Thanks,
Bob Armstrong
On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 05:54:36AM -0400, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes:
On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 07:47:13PM -0400, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com> writes:
John Egolf just sent me the PAK stuff. Now I have the problem of getting it
on to the bloody machine. Without access to any networks (until they're
licensed), i'm going through the arse-pain of copy/paste from one terminal
window to another. Oh god its tedious.
Just load the VMS PAKs, TCPIP and DECnet PAKs. Reboot and then you should
be able to get the rest of the PAK file (I'm assuming it's a Stream-LF text
file just like the DSPP PAKs) copied over. You may need to set file's at-
tributes to be just Stream in order to execute the file as a procedure (ie.
@file).
What I usually do is just roll an iso image with the license file on it
then mount that in simh. No screwing around needed. :)
Similar here with HP DSPP PAKs. I put the PAK files on both floppy and CD;
albeit, few, if any, systems today with floppy drives.
well, for simh it doesn't matter, you can do either as there aren't any
physical devices involved either place. :)
-brian
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes:
On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 07:47:13PM -0400, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Tony Blews <tonyblews at gmail.com> writes:
John Egolf just sent me the PAK stuff. Now I have the problem of getting it
on to the bloody machine. Without access to any networks (until they're
licensed), i'm going through the arse-pain of copy/paste from one terminal
window to another. Oh god its tedious.
Just load the VMS PAKs, TCPIP and DECnet PAKs. Reboot and then you should
be able to get the rest of the PAK file (I'm assuming it's a Stream-LF text
file just like the DSPP PAKs) copied over. You may need to set file's at-
tributes to be just Stream in order to execute the file as a procedure (ie.
@file).
What I usually do is just roll an iso image with the license file on it
then mount that in simh. No screwing around needed. :)
Similar here with HP DSPP PAKs. I put the PAK files on both floppy and CD;
albeit, few, if any, systems today with floppy drives.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
