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OT: old Ciscos, was Re: [HECnet] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People, Computers in a Wired World

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 05/24/2013 01:03 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote: Maybe someone can tell me what the connection is between Cisco and Lisp as well, because I missed that one too... (All I know is the connection between Cisco and PDP-10s) Not the company, but the people. Bosack in particular worked extensively with Lisp Machines at Stanford...and was there ever a PDP-10 that DIDN'T run a lot of Lisp? ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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OT: old Ciscos, was Re: [HECnet] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People, Computers in a Wired World

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Fri, 24 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 05/24/2013 12:43 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Funny you should mention the keyword NuBus in your presentation. Yes the Apple Mac II machines used it. They licensed it from TI, who developed it while exploring the wonders of Lisp. Anyone here remember the Lisp Machines that were extremely popular once? Oh yes, I have several of them here, all Symbolics. A 3640, 3645, and an XL1201. One was made by TI. And it used that expansion bus. Yes, the TI Explorer. I hadn't remembered that that was where NuBus came from. Neat. Then it's less of a happenstance thing that Cisco used it, given their Lisp connections back then. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Hello! Okay then. ----- **Those machines are being used by something big and orange wearing cheap sneakers, to support a massive delivery of bad data on a network nearby.** The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes? ;) ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments Hello! No not Goldy's favorite. Try the monster who spent several hours last week or so, banging on your Tops-10 (or Tops-20) setup. He moved and is now doing worse on those machines. In fact its aimed in your direction...... -- ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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OT: old Ciscos, was Re: [HECnet] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People, Computers in a Wired World

by b4＠gewt.net

On Fri, 24 May 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2013-05-24 18:48, Dave McGuire wrote: On 05/24/2013 12:43 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Funny you should mention the keyword NuBus in your presentation. Yes the Apple Mac II machines used it. They licensed it from TI, who developed it while exploring the wonders of Lisp. Anyone here remember the Lisp Machines that were extremely popular once? Oh yes, I have several of them here, all Symbolics. A 3640, 3645, and an XL1201. Speaking of which... Update have (had?) a Symbolics machine (might have been a 3640). Back when I was poking at it some, I found that there was DECnet for the Symbolics machines, but I never managed to locate that. Anyone who happen to have it? Oh wow. DECnet for LISP machines. That sounds awesome. Johnny -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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OT: old Ciscos, was Re: [HECnet] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People, Computers in a Wired World

by b4＠gewt.net

On Fri, 24 May 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 05/24/2013 12:43 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Funny you should mention the keyword NuBus in your presentation. Yes the Apple Mac II machines used it. They licensed it from TI, who developed it while exploring the wonders of Lisp. Anyone here remember the Lisp Machines that were extremely popular once? Oh yes, I have several of them here, all Symbolics. A 3640, 3645, and an XL1201. One was made by TI. And it used that expansion bus. Yes, the TI Explorer. I hadn't remembered that that was where NuBus came from. Neat. Then it's less of a happenstance thing that Cisco used it, given their Lisp connections back then. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Hello! Okay then. ----- **Those machines are being used by something big and orange wearing cheap sneakers, to support a massive delivery of bad data on a network nearby.** The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes? ;) ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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OT: old Ciscos, was Re: [HECnet] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People, Computers in a Wired World

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 05/24/2013 07:00 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote: Funny you should mention the keyword NuBus in your presentation. Yes the Apple Mac II machines used it. They licensed it from TI, who developed it while exploring the wonders of Lisp. Anyone here remember the Lisp Machines that were extremely popular once? Oh yes, I have several of them here, all Symbolics. A 3640, 3645, and an XL1201. One was made by TI. And it used that expansion bus. Yes, the TI Explorer. I hadn't remembered that that was where NuBus came from. Neat. Then it's less of a happenstance thing that Cisco used it, given their Lisp connections back then. ??? There is no NuBus in cisco land... There is PCI (VIP/7200 port adapters) I believe it was you yourself who introduced me to Cbus and explained that it was a NuBus implementation, at Digex in '93, I think when you brought us that IGS with some pre-release code on it to do our first real BGP peering. I would be happy to stand corrected, however. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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OT: old Ciscos, was Re: [HECnet] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People, Computers in a Wired World

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-24 19:00, Peter Lothberg wrote: On 05/24/2013 12:43 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Funny you should mention the keyword NuBus in your presentation. Yes the Apple Mac II machines used it. They licensed it from TI, who developed it while exploring the wonders of Lisp. Anyone here remember the Lisp Machines that were extremely popular once? Oh yes, I have several of them here, all Symbolics. A 3640, 3645, and an XL1201. One was made by TI. And it used that expansion bus. Yes, the TI Explorer. I hadn't remembered that that was where NuBus came from. Neat. Then it's less of a happenstance thing that Cisco used it, given their Lisp connections back then. ??? There is no NuBus in cisco land... There is PCI (VIP/7200 port adapters) Maybe someone can tell me what the connection is between Cisco and Lisp as well, because I missed that one too... (All I know is the connection between Cisco and PDP-10s) Johnny

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Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People, Computers in a Wired World

by b4＠gewt.net

On Fri, 24 May 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 05/24/2013 08:58 AM, Clem Cole wrote: I fear a sad part of this slide show is that many of us remember and were part of it all. Some of us programmed these machines (I admit that I still have some of these pieces in my basement). I was disappointed they did not show a "stinger tap." The picture of the Alto shows the first mouse the Hawley Labs mechanical mouse (which I miss for its feel). Check out the picture of the first Cisco router using Intel Multibus (with a Motorola 68k in it) looking so awkward. http://www.eweek.com/networking/slideshows/ethernet-marks-40-years-linking-… Speaking of which, I am now back in touch with my former employer and mentor. I may have mentioned him before; I worked for him ~25 years ago and learned a great deal from him, but we'd subsequently lost touch. Many years before we met, he was the chairman of IEEE committee 802.3. Before that, he was one of the developers of OS/360. He sounds like a very interesting guy. I'm going to go to NJ to visit him soon; I'll see if he has any of his 802.3 slides or conference materials left. It would be very interesting if he still had some! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

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OT: old Ciscos, was Re: [HECnet] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People, Computers in a Wired World

by roll＠Stupi.SE

On 05/24/2013 12:43 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Funny you should mention the keyword NuBus in your presentation. Yes the Apple Mac II machines used it. They licensed it from TI, who developed it while exploring the wonders of Lisp. Anyone here remember the Lisp Machines that were extremely popular once? Oh yes, I have several of them here, all Symbolics. A 3640, 3645, and an XL1201. One was made by TI. And it used that expansion bus. Yes, the TI Explorer. I hadn't remembered that that was where NuBus came from. Neat. Then it's less of a happenstance thing that Cisco used it, given their Lisp connections back then. ??? There is no NuBus in cisco land... There is PCI (VIP/7200 port adapters) -P

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OT: old Ciscos, was Re: [HECnet] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People, Computers in a Wired World

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-05-24 18:48, Dave McGuire wrote: On 05/24/2013 12:43 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Funny you should mention the keyword NuBus in your presentation. Yes the Apple Mac II machines used it. They licensed it from TI, who developed it while exploring the wonders of Lisp. Anyone here remember the Lisp Machines that were extremely popular once? Oh yes, I have several of them here, all Symbolics. A 3640, 3645, and an XL1201. Speaking of which... Update have (had?) a Symbolics machine (might have been a 3640). Back when I was poking at it some, I found that there was DECnet for the Symbolics machines, but I never managed to locate that. Anyone who happen to have it? Johnny

11 years, 12 months

OT: old Ciscos, was Re: [HECnet] Ethernet Marks 40 Years Linking People, Computers in a Wired World

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 05/24/2013 12:43 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Funny you should mention the keyword NuBus in your presentation. Yes the Apple Mac II machines used it. They licensed it from TI, who developed it while exploring the wonders of Lisp. Anyone here remember the Lisp Machines that were extremely popular once? Oh yes, I have several of them here, all Symbolics. A 3640, 3645, and an XL1201. One was made by TI. And it used that expansion bus. Yes, the TI Explorer. I hadn't remembered that that was where NuBus came from. Neat. Then it's less of a happenstance thing that Cisco used it, given their Lisp connections back then. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Hello! Okay then. ----- **Those machines are being used by something big and orange wearing cheap sneakers, to support a massive delivery of bad data on a network nearby.** ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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