On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 06/06/2013 08:19 AM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Damn!
I work in federal govt and we have numerous (3 digits) VMS hosts world-wide t=
hat never gave us any trouble (especially compared to windoze).=20
Really? According to HP's Lorraine Bartlett VP BCS Marketing & Strategy who
gave a keynote at the recent OpenVMS Bootcamp in mid-March, there were less
than 200 VMS customers and none were in Gov't.
So is she clueless, or is she a liar? Resellers were still offering big
bucks for VAX-7800 CPU modules as recently as ~2 years ago, specifically for
the Pentagon. And those are VAXen, for chrissakes!
I, and those in attendance, knew better.
Yep.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Improperly briefed.
According to those unnamed sources we all know of, the same government
offices who're using forty year old software to fly our planes,
(civilian) are still using PDP-11 based systems for those specialty
functions that were never brought to the VAX. Hardware as well as
software.
And it gets stranger, there are still some agencies who are using
S-100 based systems for those applications which actually could never
be placed on a PC or server, or otherwise.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 06/06/2013 08:19 AM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Damn!
I work in federal govt and we have numerous (3 digits) VMS hosts world-wide t=
hat never gave us any trouble (especially compared to windoze).=20
Really? According to HP's Lorraine Bartlett VP BCS Marketing & Strategy who
gave a keynote at the recent OpenVMS Bootcamp in mid-March, there were less
than 200 VMS customers and none were in Gov't.
So is she clueless, or is she a liar? Resellers were still offering big
bucks for VAX-7800 CPU modules as recently as ~2 years ago, specifically for
the Pentagon. And those are VAXen, for chrissakes!
I, and those in attendance, knew better.
Yep.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2013-06-06 10:53, Mark Benson wrote:
I wouldn't hold out hope for the Hobbyist program lasting much longer
than 2016 or at best the 2020 EOL.
Afraid you might be right. However, a pipe dream would be that HP actually released all DEC-related stuff at that point. Finally shaking RSX and other PDP-11 software free would be nice.
Ultimately, we don't *need* it we just prefer working legitimately if we
can. How many people here have legit RSX-11 licenses and still use it as
Hobbyists anyway?
How about having legit license, and use it professionally? (Yes, we do exist...)
Anyway, yeah, from a pure practical point of view, the licenses are not really needed.
Johnny
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:54:13AM +0100, Mark Benson wrote:
I cant say I'm exactly shocked. HP are 8n serious trouble and
are shedding stuff to try and stop sinking.
HP came out and did a "keynote" at the yearly company get together thing
my last workplace had. It was less of a keynote and more of a plea to
not abandon them. It was actually very sad.
I wonder when Hobbyist licenses will cease issuing...
Never, I hope. :/
-brian
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Mark Benson
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
I cant say I'm exactly shocked. HP are 8n serious trouble and are shedding stuff to try and stop sinking.
Well if they stopped trying to sell those awful "not quite a tablet and not quite a laptop computers" that seem to be advertised every advert break on British TV and maybe made printers that didn't require inks that cost roughly the same per weight as saffron, they might stand a chance.
I wonder when Hobbyist licenses will cease issuing...
Sadly it is unlikely that should that happen they'd go for the "as you can't be arsed with it, we'll take care of it" ploy.
I wouldn't hold out hope for the Hobbyist program lasting much longer than 2016 or at best the 2020 EOL.
Ultimately, we don't *need* it we just prefer working legitimately if we can. How many people here have legit RSX-11 licenses and still use it as Hobbyists anyway?
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:54:13AM +0100, Mark Benson wrote:
I cant say I'm exactly shocked. HP are 8n serious trouble and are shedding stuff to try and stop sinking.
HP came out and did a "keynote" at the yearly company get together thing
my last workplace had. It was less of a keynote and more of a plea to
not abandon them. It was actually very sad.
I wonder when Hobbyist licenses will cease issuing...
Never, I hope. :/
-brian
--
Mark Benson
On Thu, Jun 06, 2013 at 08:54:13AM +0100, Mark Benson wrote:
I cant say I'm exactly shocked. HP are 8n serious trouble and are shedding stuff to try and stop sinking.
HP came out and did a "keynote" at the yearly company get together thing
my last workplace had. It was less of a keynote and more of a plea to
not abandon them. It was actually very sad.
I wonder when Hobbyist licenses will cease issuing...
Never, I hope. :/
-brian
I cant say I'm exactly shocked. HP are 8n serious trouble and are shedding stuff to try and stop sinking.
I wonder when Hobbyist licenses will cease issuing...
"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes:
This just came in from a friend of mine:
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only
be supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL
EVENTUALLY BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome
that it lasted this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this
industry. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm
still breathing!)
I do hope those who have sources (or at least, source listings) will
be able
to preserve them. (hint hint)
Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Say no more.
HP: Hopelessly Pathetic.
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Mark Benson
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:39 AM, Michael Holmes <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Damn!
I work in federal govt and we have numerous (3 digits) VMS hosts world-wide that never gave us any trouble (especially compared to windoze).
Guess well have to suffer more critical system failures in the future.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:45 PM, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 06/05/2013 08:44 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
This just came in from a friend of mine:
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only
be supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL
EVENTUALLY BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome
that it lasted this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this
industry. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm
still breathing!)
I do hope those who have sources (or at least, source listings) will
be able to preserve them. (hint hint)
Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Say no more.
The world of real computers thanks you.
HP: Hopelessly Pathetic.
Exactly. How the mighty have fallen. Bill and Dave are rolling in their graves.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Don't worry about it. Microsoft said that it would no longer do
anything with DOS some time ago. It's still orderable, but only in an
embedded capacity. I believe some people have gone ahead and made use
of it outside of that capacity.
The other problem is that this is going to further foul up the agency
that thinks it helped in getting me my apartment. They run their
entire establishment on a colony of them. (And badly.) They were at
one point doing it on the VAX. That was done properly. Then they
switched over to Alpha, almost okay. Then probably to the series that
makes use of the Intel abomination. Let's just say it isn't pretty. At
least they are aware of the problem, but they are stuck with it......
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Incidentally Dave we aren't blaming you for this one. We are however
doing so for a guy named Murphy.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Damn!
I work in federal govt and we have numerous (3 digits) VMS hosts world-wide that never gave us any trouble (especially compared to windoze).
Guess well have to suffer more critical system failures in the future.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:45 PM, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 06/05/2013 08:44 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
This just came in from a friend of mine:
"Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead.
Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS-
supported hardware."
Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only
be supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL
EVENTUALLY BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome
that it lasted this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this
industry. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm
still breathing!)
I do hope those who have sources (or at least, source listings) will
be able to preserve them. (hint hint)
Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Say no more.
The world of real computers thanks you.
HP: Hopelessly Pathetic.
Exactly. How the mighty have fallen. Bill and Dave are rolling in their graves.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello all,
I've recently gotten my Cisco 7200 working. (by "recently" I mean within the past hour...)
Brian, can you update the config generator and change Ethernet1/0 to FastEthernet1/0 and push a new config?
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
