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Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by sampsa＠mac.com

How hard is getting DECNET to run on these though? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 On 11 Jun 2013, at 10:10, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? the PANDA distribution of TOPS-20 work OOTB. Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? Ultrix isn't hard to get running. I can toss an image up somewhere sometime soon. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 7 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? the PANDA distribution of TOPS-20 work OOTB. Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? Ultrix isn't hard to get running. I can toss an image up somewhere sometime soon. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 7 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537

12 years, 7 months

discontinuance of VMS

by clemc＠ccc.com

Yeah but he didn't store the file names in one of the rad50 schemes. Clem On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-06-10 23:39, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: El 10/06/2013, a les 23:17, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure: I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :) I haven't read the article (yet), however I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that CP/M was indeed inspired by TOPS-10, and nothing else. God knows if I can dig up any sources of that, though... The wikipedia is not a 100% reliable source, but... "CP/M's command line interface was patterned after the operating systems from Digital Equipment, such as RT-11 for the PDP-11and OS/8 for the PDP-8." I don't know OS/8. But pre-DCL RT-11 (for example, V2) had a command language very similar to that of TOPS-10. For that matter, you can still see it today in the RT11 RTS that comes with RSTS/E (not surprising because that was written by Anton Chernoff, who also worked on RT11-FB V2 among other things). Think pre-DCL RT-11, on a 12-bit architecture, and you have almost every detail of OS/8 pat down. :-) Johnny

12 years, 7 months

discontinuance of VMS

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 11/06/2013, a les 0:06, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure: Think pre-DCL RT-11, on a 12-bit architecture, and you have almost every detail of OS/8 pat down. :-) And two-character file extensions :) Just like the first computer I put my hands on back in High School (a Motorola exorCiser running MDOS... which can be emulated nowadays btw). Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 7 months

discontinuance of VMS

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-06-10 23:39, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: El 10/06/2013, a les 23:17, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure: I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :) I haven't read the article (yet), however I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that CP/M was indeed inspired by TOPS-10, and nothing else. God knows if I can dig up any sources of that, though... The wikipedia is not a 100% reliable source, but... "CP/M's command line interface was patterned after the operating systems from Digital Equipment, such as RT-11 for the PDP-11and OS/8 for the PDP-8." I don't know OS/8. But pre-DCL RT-11 (for example, V2) had a command language very similar to that of TOPS-10. For that matter, you can still see it today in the RT11 RTS that comes with RSTS/E (not surprising because that was written by Anton Chernoff, who also worked on RT11-FB V2 among other things). Think pre-DCL RT-11, on a 12-bit architecture, and you have almost every detail of OS/8 pat down. :-) Johnny

12 years, 7 months

discontinuance of VMS

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-06-10 23:20, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: El 10/06/2013, a les 23:17, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure: I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :) I haven't read the article (yet), however I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that CP/M was indeed inspired by TOPS-10, and nothing else. God knows if I can dig up any sources of that, though... The wikipedia is not a 100% reliable source, but... "CP/M's command line interface was patterned after the operating systems from Digital Equipment, such as RT-11 for the PDP-11and OS/8 for the PDP-8." Yeah, in this case I'd take Wikipedia with a large grain of salt... Actually, also, if you look further down the Wikipedia article on CP/M, you'll find this: "Various aspects of CP/M were influenced by the TOPS-10 operating system of the DECsystem-10 mainframe computer, which Kildall had used as a development environment." Isn't it wonderful how you'll find contradictory information even within the same article. This latter quote however, provides references... Johnny

12 years, 7 months

discontinuance of VMS

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: El 10/06/2013, a les 23:17, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure: I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :) I haven't read the article (yet), however I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that CP/M was indeed inspired by TOPS-10, and nothing else. God knows if I can dig up any sources of that, though... The wikipedia is not a 100% reliable source, but... "CP/M's command line interface was patterned after the operating systems from Digital Equipment, such as RT-11 for the PDP-11and OS/8 for the PDP-8." I don't know OS/8. But pre-DCL RT-11 (for example, V2) had a command language very similar to that of TOPS-10. For that matter, you can still see it today in the RT11 RTS that comes with RSTS/E (not surprising because that was written by Anton Chernoff, who also worked on RT11-FB V2 among other things). paul

12 years, 7 months

discontinuance of VMS

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 10/06/2013, a les 23:17, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure: I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :) I haven't read the article (yet), however I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that CP/M was indeed inspired by TOPS-10, and nothing else. God knows if I can dig up any sources of that, though... The wikipedia is not a 100% reliable source, but... "CP/M's command line interface was patterned after the operating systems from Digital Equipment, such as RT-11 for the PDP-11and OS/8 for the PDP-8." Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 7 months

discontinuance of VMS

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-06-10 23:06, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: El 10/06/2013, a les 18:25, Bill Pechter <pechter at gmail.com <mailto:pechter at gmail.com>> va escriure: Please... correct the history. What are the errors? I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :) I haven't read the article (yet), however I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that CP/M was indeed inspired by TOPS-10, and nothing else. God knows if I can dig up any sources of that, though... Johnny

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