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Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by robert.jarratt＠ntlworld.com

-----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner- hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Jordi Guillaumes i Pons Sent: 11 June 2013 09:13 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Cc: Sampsa Laine Subject: Re: [HECnet] Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run? Al 11/06/13 10:05, En/na Sampsa Laine ha escrit: Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? For TOPS-20, you can enable DECNET in the panda distribution with not too much effort. I tried to explain how to do it here: http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/ten-over-pi.html The main problem is the network setup. You will have to work in shared mode and it can wreck the host machine NIC. Aren't we mixing up a couple of things here? The Panda distribution, as far as I know, runs on the KL, which SIMH does not emulate. SIMH emulates the KS and right now you can't run DECnet on the KS. There is work being done now to bring the KMC/DUP emulation to SIMH to allow DECnet to run on the KS. You should contact the SIMH mailing list for status on this. Regards Rob

12 years, 9 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Al 11/06/13 10:13, En/na Sampsa Laine ha escrit: I'm running it in a VM (VirtualBox) - is this going to work? Indeed, and it is easier to make it work than in a real machine :) Just add a virtual NIC to be used by KLH10 in dedicated mode and you will be set. I used to run my TOPS-20 instance under a virtual box machine (with capped CPU) with one of those ultralean linux distros as host OS. IIRC the only weird thing I had to do was to force the vbox NICS at the host side (the "real" host) as promiscuous. Not sure why.

12 years, 9 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: I'm running it in a VM (VirtualBox) - is this going to work? Yes. Just add mutiple NICs for it. VirtualBox can do up to 4 iirc. Have one for accessing the host and dedicate a second one to TOPS-20. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 On 11 Jun 2013, at 10:12, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: Al 11/06/13 10:05, En/na Sampsa Laine ha escrit: Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? For TOPS-20, you can enable DECNET in the panda distribution with not too much effort. I tried to explain how to do it here: http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/ten-over-pi.html The main problem is the network setup. You will have to work in shared mode and it can wreck the host machine NIC. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 9 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: How hard is getting DECNET to run on these though? Easy as pie on TOPS-20. It's not hard in Ultrix either. It's a case of: 1). Install ULTRIX 2). Install DECnet tools 3). Run the DECnet configuration script You'll need a license for Ultrix...but those are easy to acquire. It's the same LMF format as used in Tru64. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 On 11 Jun 2013, at 10:10, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? the PANDA distribution of TOPS-20 work OOTB. Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? Ultrix isn't hard to get running. I can toss an image up somewhere sometime soon. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 9 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by sampsa＠mac.com

I'm running it in a VM (VirtualBox) - is this going to work? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 On 11 Jun 2013, at 10:12, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: Al 11/06/13 10:05, En/na Sampsa Laine ha escrit: Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? For TOPS-20, you can enable DECNET in the panda distribution with not too much effort. I tried to explain how to do it here: http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/ten-over-pi.html The main problem is the network setup. You will have to work in shared mode and it can wreck the host machine NIC.

12 years, 9 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Al 11/06/13 10:05, En/na Sampsa Laine ha escrit: Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? For TOPS-20, you can enable DECNET in the panda distribution with not too much effort. I tried to explain how to do it here: http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/ten-over-pi.html The main problem is the network setup. You will have to work in shared mode and it can wreck the host machine NIC.

12 years, 9 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by sampsa＠mac.com

How hard is getting DECNET to run on these though? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 On 11 Jun 2013, at 10:10, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? the PANDA distribution of TOPS-20 work OOTB. Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? Ultrix isn't hard to get running. I can toss an image up somewhere sometime soon. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 9 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote: Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? the PANDA distribution of TOPS-20 work OOTB. Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? Ultrix isn't hard to get running. I can toss an image up somewhere sometime soon. sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537 -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments

12 years, 9 months

Anyone got TOPS-20 / Ultrix with DECNET SIMH image ready to run?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Got some spare cycles/RAM on one of my boxes, would be fun to run TOPS-20 or Ultrix with DECNET? Anyone got a working image / HOWTO on getting this going? sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +961 788 10537

12 years, 9 months

discontinuance of VMS

by clemc＠ccc.com

Yeah but he didn't store the file names in one of the rad50 schemes. Clem On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-06-10 23:39, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On Jun 10, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: El 10/06/2013, a les 23:17, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure: I think I read somewhere than the inspiration for the CP/M commands was RT-11, not TOPS-10. But, anyway, the RT-11 commands _are_ inspired by TOPS-10, which. by the way, sound a little bit like OS/8... :) I haven't read the article (yet), however I'm pretty sure I've seen in the past that CP/M was indeed inspired by TOPS-10, and nothing else. God knows if I can dig up any sources of that, though... The wikipedia is not a 100% reliable source, but... "CP/M's command line interface was patterned after the operating systems from Digital Equipment, such as RT-11 for the PDP-11and OS/8 for the PDP-8." I don't know OS/8. But pre-DCL RT-11 (for example, V2) had a command language very similar to that of TOPS-10. For that matter, you can still see it today in the RT11 RTS that comes with RSTS/E (not surprising because that was written by Anton Chernoff, who also worked on RT11-FB V2 among other things). Think pre-DCL RT-11, on a 12-bit architecture, and you have almost every detail of OS/8 pat down. :-) Johnny

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