Hi all,
Just received the e-mail below. I've hunted around all the various
Hobbyist locations and licensing pages and can't find any additional
information.
I've already replied back to ask what the impact of Hobbyist renewal
licensing will be. I have no further information at this stage.
Have others received this as well? Does anyone have any further
knowledge on this?
I can see a few people have forwarded/posted the same message on
comp.os.vms.
Cheers, Wiz!!
From: OpenVMS Customer Lab [mailto:openvmscustomerlab at hpe.com]
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2020 3:13 PM
Cc: OpenVMS Customer Lab
Subject: OpenVMS Hobbyist Notification
Dear HPE OpenVMS hobbyist,
This is to inform you that HPE is concluding the HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist
license program in alignment with the HPE OpenVMS support roadmap.
If you wish to understand more details, please reach out to us at the
earliest through the usual license renewal webpage.
Thank you.
HPE OpenVMS team
The recent post about multi-threaded NNTP for VMS (whaaay cool) jogged
my memory about something I had been wondering about.? This morning, a
large number of clocks got switched ahead an hour in the United States.?
Tops-20 did it 'relatively flawlessly' as it has done so since the early
1980's.? Back then, a lot of systems didn't.? None of our IBM systems did.
A lot of that has changed nowadays with NTP clients; even if the base
operating system doesn't support time change, an NTP client can address
that.? So all my systems advanced appropriately, as did an old radio
clock.? I'm not sure how *nix does it, but I don't remember Ultrix
having the code on our 8650 (or 8700). Tops-20 will do the change
whether or not a client exists as the code is in the monitor.
At the time (1980's), I don't believe that VMS had internal code to do
the time change and NTP did not exist as such (some network time
services existed, but I don't remember whether there was a generally
available VMS TCP/IP package; we didn't have it).? I would assume that
this is handled now.? I hesitate to ask about RSX and RSTS, but I would
assume that the C compiler for RSX (with Johnny's TCP/IP interface)
could support an NTP port.? Anyway, the question is: how does VMS handle
the time change?
By 'relatively flawlessly', I mean Galaxy.? If you submit jobs with an
/AFTER: switch, but use an elapsed time, you can get the wrong start
time.? For example, in a daily batch job to do incremental saves,
TODAY+2:00:00 means tomorrow morning at 2:00:00 AM, assuming the current
job was started at 2:00:00.? However today, the job? started at 3:00:00
AM.? No big deal.
However, this used to seriously mess up our operations, who started
shift expecting requests for tape mounts. ? I looked at the issue awhile
back in the 80's, but realized that the problem wasn't in Quasar because
it is only dealing with internal date format.? The issue had to be fixed
by putting some logic into the Exec to differentiate between a specified
time and a calculated time.? As it wasn't immediately straightforward, I
never got to it.? Maybe one of these days...
Hi,
Well this is kinda sad but inevitable. I have been considering for some time surrendering my DEC/VMS systems to the community in some form or other for a while as they aren?t being used at all. The announcement from HPE that they are closing the Hobbyist programme and VSI?s reluctance/non-committal attitude to Hobbyists has pushed me towards Feeling like they aren?t worth hanging onto anymore.
I am also at the stage where I may as well move on some other stuff that?s sitting gathering dust too.
Thus I have the following machines that I will surrender to a good home. They are mostly collect-only from UK LN11 Postcode area:
= VAXstation 4000/60
- Free. It was a freebie to me from Matt Burke and has matching keyboard and mouse, so I?m spreading the joy.
- It?s in very clean and well kept condition. Can supply VGA compatible video cable.
- Collect only. Sorry. It?s too fragile for me to pack and hip without taking out shares in a bubblewrap company
= DEC Alpha PWS 600au
- A reasonable monetary offer will take this, as a guide I?d say GBP50 but make offers I?m not going to ask a lot for it if you can collect it.
- There s chance I, might be able to ship this as it?s not too fragile and is PC shaped so I have a box it might fit in.
= HP zx6000 rack mount dual Itantium (2x 12GHz, 24GB RAM)
- Again, reasonable offers around GBP50 will take this
= IBM Intellistation 9111-285 POWER workstation
- I love it but it\s hug and ornery and way too power hungry for my electric bill
- It?s a single core somewhere in the 1.8GHZ ballpark from memory. Last I checked the PSU was fine.
- It comes with a plethora of drive sleds, graphics cards (all IBM GXP cards that work in AIX) and probably some AIX Media.
- Feel free to take it for free. The space is worth more to me than the computer at this stage!
= A couple of Top Gun blue DEC SCSI StorageWorks boxes with sleds and drives and interface cards. One has a 40X Plextor CDROM in one of the big chunky bay adapters.
All contact should be taken off-list unless the questions are relevant to other prospective takers.
Thanks.
?
Mark
I've just received an update from the OpenVMS Customer lab:
Here's the message from the OpenVMS team. The idea was that hobbyists
would visit the site and renew their licenses, and in response, we would
provide the final set of licenses,
explaining the scenario:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
As we approach the end of the HPE OpenVMS V8.4 standard support
period, HPE
plans to conclude the HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program.
The HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses we are issuing in 2020 will be the
last set.
Subsequently, HPE will not issue new HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses.
Attached
is the final set of the HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist licenses. These final
licenses
are valid through December 31st, 2021. We hope that this additional
validity
period will enable users to plan for the future.
Users who wish to avail of HPE OpenVMS long term licenses are
encouraged to
purchase permanent licenses at standard prices. You may contact
[Fellman, Jon]
<jon.fellman at hpe.com> for the same.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Cheers, Wiz!!
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of David Moylan
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2020 4:14 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist license program is closing
Hi all,
Just received the e-mail below. I've hunted around all the various
Hobbyist locations and licensing pages and can't find any additional
information.
I've already replied back to ask what the impact of Hobbyist renewal
licensing will be. I have no further information at this stage.
Have others received this as well? Does anyone have any further
knowledge on this?
I can see a few people have forwarded/posted the same message on
comp.os.vms.
Cheers, Wiz!!
From: OpenVMS Customer Lab [mailto:openvmscustomerlab at hpe.com]
Sent: Saturday, 7 March 2020 3:13 PM
Cc: OpenVMS Customer Lab
Subject: OpenVMS Hobbyist Notification
Dear HPE OpenVMS hobbyist,
This is to inform you that HPE is concluding the HPE OpenVMS Hobbyist
license program in alignment with the HPE OpenVMS support roadmap.
If you wish to understand more details, please reach out to us at the
earliest through the usual license renewal webpage.
Thank you.
HPE OpenVMS team
I know there are a lot of ex-DEC people here, so I thought I'd ask -
Another HECnet user kindly gave me a copy of the RSX AME kit for VMS, v2.5.
AFAIK that's the latest version, from around 1990, and I decided to install
it on LEGATO (a simh VAX with OVMS 7.3). I dutifully read the release notes
and followed all the directions about account quotas, global pages, etc.
The installation went off without a hitch - no errors, and the IVP runs
successfully. Great!
The PDP-11 utilities work fine by themselves - MAC, TKB, etc. I can
assemble and link a program with no problem.
BUT, the MCR CLI doesn't work. Logging in or spawning a process with
/CLI=MCR fails with
%MCR-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image MBX
-CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found
LEGATO$DUA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][001054]MBX.EXE;
Poking around a bit, I find that the installation created a file called
SYS$MANAGER:RSX$MCR_COMMANDS.CLD. (.CLD is the extension for VMS Command
Definition files, which extend the DCL parse tables with new commands). And
this file conveniently defines, along with several other things, an MBX
command. Oddly there seems to be no mention of this file in the release
notes and no reference to it in the KITINSTAL, but fine - maybe I'm supposed
to use it.
So, SET COMMAND SYS$MANAGER:RSX$MCR_COMMANDS and the "$MBX" gives
%DCL-E-INVROUT, invalid routine specified in command tables -
check .CLD file
I'm starting to think that the RSX AME, or at least the MCR CLI, doesn't
work on VMS7.3. Can anybody shed any more light on this?
Bob
>From owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Sat Mar 7 17:55:30 2020
>As far as I am aware, IAS was not included in the sale of PDP-11
>software from DEC to Mentec.
That was my understanding too. I remember seeing it on a DEC price
list after the Mentec transfer, as a class L license only (Q-bus, no
Unibus), and for a crazy high price ($20K-$30K IIRC). Which kind of
lent value to the rumor I'd heard at the time: that DEC withheld IAS
from Mentec because there was some particular high-value customer still
buying it, and DEC wasn't yet tired of taking their money. The single
choice for the license made it sound like there was only one config
still in play (i.e. whatever that customer used).
>So I guess IAS is still fully under HPE control. But good luck finding
>anyone in there who even knows about it...
Yeah ...
John Wilson
D Bit
> > From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE> On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
> > Sent: 07 March 2020 11:59
> > On 2020-03-07 08:12, Rob Jarratt wrote:
> > > Yes, I have received it too. I think this is just corporate speak
for
> > > saying that they are closing the hobbyist licensing program,
> > > presumably because they no longer support VMS. I think they should
> > > officially release the PAK tool, or allow hobbyists to request
> > > non-expiring licenses (although that wouldn't help new hobbyists).
I also thought that as well. "we are shutting down - here's the keys".
It would have been a nice gesture.
It's not impossible that this could change.
> > Well, it obviously also would not help VSI, who now "owns" VMS, if
they were to
> > release the PAK tool...
This will never happen. I too worry that VSI will see hobbyists as a
potential source of income. While in principal I don't have a problem
with this concept, if they start charging they need to start offering
something more. I first got into the DEC hobbyist scene back in 2009 -
when we had to physically order CD's from Montagar. 11 years later and
it's still the same code with yearly license keys being the only
difference. The whole concept of the hobbyist program was to provide
access to legacy code for legacy machines at no cost with no impact to
DEC/COMPAQ/HPE.
> > The one, potentially scary thing, is the question of licenses for
VAX.
> > VSI didn't, as far as I can remember, formally take over the VAX
side of things,
> > which could mean that VAX people might be left out in the cold no
matter what
> > VSI does.
As has already been mentioned on the list - don't be concerned about
this. If it comes to Christmas 2021 and neither the HPE or VSI people
have come up with something that appeals to hobbyists, I guarantee you
that Santa will leave you a nice PAK under the tree.
Cheers, Wiz!!
