On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:36 AM Robert Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com <mailto:bob at jfcl.com>> wrote: ? I remember using a C compiler under TOPS-10, but that was far away and very long ago.? Can anybody tell me if my memory is bad, or did that really exist?? Was it a DEC product or a DECUS thing? Thanks Bob There are several, I have personally used a couple of them in the past.? The original one is the Snyder Compiler from MIT? for ITS (his 1973 MIT MS thesis is here: MAC-TR-149.pdf <https://github.com/PDP-10/Snyder-C-compiler/blob/master/MAC-TR-149.pdf>?) the sources are available, https://github.com/PDP-10/Snyder-C-compiler This is work he did originally at BTL under Dennis Ritchie and Steve Johnson's tutelage? ?-- it precedes?the Johnson compiler (PCC).? This is very early in C development, there may be a version of Lesk's Portable I/O library in it (I've forgotten), but Dennis has not even started to think about stdio?when Alan wrote it, much less more modern C ideas like unions and much of what he describes in K&R.? The language that it compiles is basically similar to UNIX 4th or 5th Edition with the assumptions being similar to the 36-bit compiler Steve had written for the Honeywell machine at the time. IIRC this compiler?was originally for ITS, but we had running on TOPS-10 at CMU at some?point in the mid/late 1970s.? I probably have a copy somewhere on an old PDP-10 backup tape. Sometime between 81-85, Ken Harrenstien of SRI took the Stanford WAITS C Compiler from Ken Chen (called KCC) and updated it to be more modern.? ?IIRC the Harrenstein compiler actually fully supports the original ANSI C definition.? The ASCII doc files for it can be found here http://ftp.math.utah.edu/pub/kcc/?and I suspect the compiler itself can be found by hunting around the Internet.? I personally never used it because I had long ago stopped working with PDP-10's by the time Ken created it, although I know a number of my PDP-10 friends said it works/worked well.? Chen's version that Harrenstien started with supported a more modern definition of the language than Snyder, and IIRC correctly was a little better integrated into the traditional PDP-10 I/O - /i.e./ supported a number of JSYS's directly. I know of two others, my old friend the late Jay Lepreau of Utah took the VAX Berkeley updated version of the Johnson compiler (PCC) and moved it to the PDP-10/20 at some point in the late 1970s/early 1980s.? This version matched K&R and seems to have somewhat replaced the Snyder and Chen compilers as you could move things from V7 PDP-11's to the 10s reasonably easily.? As best I can tell, the Lepreau compiler was popular (particularly on TOPS-20) until the Harrenstien version of KCC came about.? ?I suspect you can dig it up if you have some patience, although, at this point, I would probably look for Harenstien's KCC. There was at least one other I have heard about called the Sargasso C Compiler, but I know nothing about it.? ?Search is your friend, check out: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.sys.pdp10/gc2avXfEJMg I have also heard that someone retargeted a version of gcc, but I have not idea how well that is maintained since most progress for gcc moving forward has been driven by support for modern architectures.

There's a copy from SRI here https://github.com/PDP-10/sri-nic/tree/master/files/fs/kcc-6 which has a "T10" subdirectory and a lot of compiled library files. Is this what you have with the PANDA distro? FWIW, there's a DUMPER tape of it here https://github.com/PDP-10/sri-nic/blob/master/tapes/SRI_NIC_PERM_FS_1_19910… Bob

Clem Cole wrote: Ken Harrenstien ... I suspect the compiler itself can be found by hunting around the Internet.