On 2013-09-28 11:30, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah I was thinking of typing up some Arabic documents in say EDIT and using TYPE to view them - but Terminal.app doesn't seem to pass the Arabic letters across correctly.
I think you are a little confused.
"Arabic letters" as such don't pass through anywhere. We're talking computers here. Everything is ones and zeroes.
It's just a case of how you choose to interpret those ones and zeroes at each end. Are you saying that Terminal.app (a program I avoid by the way, since the VT100 emulation is buggy) do not pass all values? How are you using it, by the way?
Selected some arabic language on your MAC, running the terminal, typing in there, and in the terminal you have telnetted to some VMS box.
That might end up with the terminal sending UTF-8 encoded Unicode, which VMS might have some opinions about. VMS do not handle UTF-8, and some of the values you get from the UTF-8 encoding might cause VMS to do specific things.
The MAC will think of several bytes as one character encoded in UTF-8, but VMS will think of that as several characters in Latin-1, unless you are running some special program in VMS which grabs all incoming data, in which case you can (or course) do anything you want.
Johnny
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On 28 Sep 2013, at 11:28, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-28 11:05, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Is it possible to use say Arabic or Hebrew script on VMS - I don't mean for DCL of course but for editing text files etc.
Or does this require DECWindows?
What do you mean? Just displaying text, or are you looking for some software that actually would understand any of it.
I mean, you could just use a different character encoding, and just output the bytes you want, and have your terminal show anything.
Johnny
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email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
If I type the document locally and upload it via Kermit, it sort of works.
Unfortunately it doesn't keep the ligatures which makes it more or less useless for Arabic :)
It would work for Hebrew though
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On 28 Sep 2013, at 11:30, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Yeah I was thinking of typing up some Arabic documents in say EDIT and using TYPE to view them - but Terminal.app doesn't seem to pass the Arabic letters across correctly.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 28 Sep 2013, at 11:28, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-28 11:05, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Is it possible to use say Arabic or Hebrew script on VMS - I don't mean for DCL of course but for editing text files etc.
Or does this require DECWindows?
What do you mean? Just displaying text, or are you looking for some software that actually would understand any of it.
I mean, you could just use a different character encoding, and just output the bytes you want, and have your terminal show anything.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-09-28 11:26, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 28 Sep 2013, at 11:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I've never seen or heard of anyone using it. I think it was available a very short time on the market.
It is mentioned in one of the processor handbooks that covers the 11/70, but basically no other DEC documentation even mentions it.
Shame and a bit weird - why would DEC build a block-mode terminal for an application platform and then not sell / distribute the platform?
Not a successful product maybe? Maybe some shortcoming in the whole design made it not get any acceptance in the market.
Also, does anyone know where we might get specs on the VT62's block-mode data stream? Might be amusing to write a VT62<->IBM 3270 translator :)
Never seen any of that either. There was a block mode version of the VT100 as well, if I remember right. Maybe compatible? Although I have not seen the documentation for that one either.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Yeah I was thinking of typing up some Arabic documents in say EDIT and using TYPE to view them - but Terminal.app doesn't seem to pass the Arabic letters across correctly.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
On 28 Sep 2013, at 11:28, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-28 11:05, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Is it possible to use say Arabic or Hebrew script on VMS - I don't mean for DCL of course but for editing text files etc.
Or does this require DECWindows?
What do you mean? Just displaying text, or are you looking for some software that actually would understand any of it.
I mean, you could just use a different character encoding, and just output the bytes you want, and have your terminal show anything.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-09-28 11:05, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Is it possible to use say Arabic or Hebrew script on VMS - I don't mean for DCL of course but for editing text files etc.
Or does this require DECWindows?
What do you mean? Just displaying text, or are you looking for some software that actually would understand any of it.
I mean, you could just use a different character encoding, and just output the bytes you want, and have your terminal show anything.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 28 Sep 2013, at 11:23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I've never seen or heard of anyone using it. I think it was available a very short time on the market.
It is mentioned in one of the processor handbooks that covers the 11/70, but basically no other DEC documentation even mentions it.
Shame and a bit weird - why would DEC build a block-mode terminal for an application platform and then not sell / distribute the platform?
Also, does anyone know where we might get specs on the VT62's block-mode data stream? Might be amusing to write a VT62<->IBM 3270 translator :)
sampsa
On 2013-09-28 07:43, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 28 Sep 2013, at 05:42, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-09-28 05:41, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-09-28 05:20, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
Mine worked like any asynchronous serial interface. Plain RS-232.
Sounds like there's a magic switch somewhere ... Now to find it.
Either that, or the port is broken. I seem to remember mine breaking a
couple of times, and me repairing it. But any further details have been
forgotten. I only remember that it wasn't hard to figure out or fix.
I assume you have tried shorting pin 2&3 of the serial port, and nothing
happens when you type...?
Open it up. There is a large board at the bottom which if I remember
right, is pretty much all of it.
Oh, I should mention - I don't remember there being more than one rotary switch for speed selection, but check to make sure there isn't a separate for Tx and Rx, and them being set differently for split speed...
Just out of interest, how hard would it be to get hold of this TRAX software platform that uses VT62 in it's block mode (it runs on "high end PDP-11s")?
Anybody ever program anything for it?
I've never seen or heard of anyone using it. I think it was available a very short time on the market.
It is mentioned in one of the processor handbooks that covers the 11/70, but basically no other DEC documentation even mentions it.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Is it possible to use say Arabic or Hebrew script on VMS - I don't mean for DCL of course but for editing text files etc.
Or does this require DECWindows?
VT240, VT330, VT340. All are glorious, and all are here.
Glad to hear. I bought a mint VT340 last week after watching it for months on ebay. Maybe I overpaid for it? ($200), but Im in Australia and they just dont seem to turn up that often.
I have an VT420 courtesy of Saku Setala but unfortunately the screen barely works so I've decided to try something else on my client box (OS X):
1. Terminal.app emulates the display side of VT220 etc very well
2. The problem is sending keys like the keypad and PF1-4, DO, HELP etc
3. However, Terminal.app lets you map any key to any escape sequence you want
4. So I'll purchase a full size Mac USB keyboard, print some labels (PF1, DO, etc) create a Terminal.app profile that sends the relevant control/escape characters on the newly labelled buttons and I should be pretty close to having something resembling a terminal with an LK keyboard.
The beauty of this is that it's light and will work with my laptops without a problem.
If I get this working I'll post the key mappings for Terminal.app on my website for any other OS X users here.
sampsa
VT240, VT330, VT340. All are glorious, and all are here.
Glad to hear. I bought a mint VT340 last week after watching it for months on ebay. Maybe I overpaid for it? ($200), but Im in Australia and they just dont seem to turn up that often.
Daniel.
