yOn Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> writes:
=20
Lighter???
=20
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX=
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within=20=
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I was g=
iven advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.=20
OO! ROTFLMFA0!
OpenVMS may be written in about 8 different languages but I'm fairly sure none are OO...except MAYBE the few C++ bits according to Wikipedia.
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On 10/06/2013 06:36 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
"Peter Lothberg, who is a networking expert,"
I'd say that's the understatement of the year. :)
Yes. That's like saying "Stephen Hawking occasionally dabbles in
science".
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
it's a common problem. my favorite statistic like this is the boot loader for the 3b2 (which ran a flavor sys v.3) is larger than the v6 and v7 kernels. shameful IMHO
that said while I agree the OSes can bloat my experience is that many of us are unwilling to go back to the same "old system" for anything in production use and unfortunately their is the additional problem is there is rarely an agreement among us as to which of those new features from the bloated ones are the required ones.
what I have seen work to a limited extend is to create a new system with learnings over time and try to inject a new stronger strain into the Eco system. this was what Culter was trying do with Mica for vms. but being able to carry old binaries gets very hard.
Clem
On Oct 6, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
Lighter???
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I was given advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.
Daniel
"Peter Lothberg, who is a networking expert,"
I'd say that's the understatement of the year. :)
-brian
On Oct 6, 2013, at 15:20, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That still leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
yOn Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Lighter???
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I was given advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.
I think I have a copy or 3 of an image of 5.5 laying around.
Daniel
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Lighter???
FWIW, you'd be much better off running the latest and greatest on your VAX
hardware to take advantage of the performance features contained within
VMS 3
0.9 million lines of code
VMS 5.4
6.5 million lines of code
VMS 7.1
25 million lines of code
I'd like to go back to 5.5H4 and avoid the bloat from OO programming. I was given advice previously that 6.3 is best for old VAX's.
Daniel
Hello!
Indeed not. That's what we were discussing. And to obtain SDSL service
would require those new clean wires. And then I realized I should
stick with what I have for the moment.
Meanwhile the local-loop provider is still unhappy at allow a cage to
rented to the vendor for hardware to produce such a service and to
send it to me. I don't know (and don't want to know) how many other
customers they have in my area.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 22:12, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
And what service are you (putting up with) working with, or
subscribing to? Mine is a DSL service provider named Megapath. And
that's more or less what the good people there told me.
I guess you are not getting anywhere near 40 Gbit/s on that. Knowing Peter I
would not be surprised if that was symmetrical, in addition...
Johnny
AT&T's crappy (yet reliable) DSL service.
Incidentally what I am getting is fairly close to business class for
them. For what they consider to be business class it gets bumped up to
something resembling the WAN or wide area networking experiments.
(Visit their site for clues and things.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
In this country to have a static IP address over copper requires
practically new wiring from the Central Office to the Customer. And it
depends on the vendor.
No new wiring is needed here. I just need to pay them to migrate to
business class...that's the cost of the setup fee. $75 for them to push
buttons.
That came up about two to three years ago here, perhaps as late as last
year.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that
for the
same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That
still
leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years
ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet,
anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-10-06 22:12, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
And what service are you (putting up with) working with, or
subscribing to? Mine is a DSL service provider named Megapath. And
that's more or less what the good people there told me.
I guess you are not getting anywhere near 40 Gbit/s on that. Knowing Peter I would not be surprised if that was symmetrical, in addition...
Johnny
AT&T's crappy (yet reliable) DSL service.
Incidentally what I am getting is fairly close to business class for
them. For what they consider to be business class it gets bumped up to
something resembling the WAN or wide area networking experiments.
(Visit their site for clues and things.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
In this country to have a static IP address over copper requires
practically new wiring from the Central Office to the Customer. And it
depends on the vendor.
No new wiring is needed here. I just need to pay them to migrate to
business class...that's the cost of the setup fee. $75 for them to push
buttons.
That came up about two to three years ago here, perhaps as late as last
year.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that
for the
same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That
still
leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years
ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet,
anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
And what service are you (putting up with) working with, or
subscribing to? Mine is a DSL service provider named Megapath. And
that's more or less what the good people there told me.
AT&T's crappy (yet reliable) DSL service.
Incidentally what I am getting is fairly close to business class for
them. For what they consider to be business class it gets bumped up to
something resembling the WAN or wide area networking experiments.
(Visit their site for clues and things.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Oct 2013, Gregg Levine wrote:
In this country to have a static IP address over copper requires
practically new wiring from the Central Office to the Customer. And it
depends on the vendor.
No new wiring is needed here. I just need to pay them to migrate to
business class...that's the cost of the setup fee. $75 for them to push
buttons.
That came up about two to three years ago here, perhaps as late as last
year.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-10-06 10:51, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
Why not just get a static IP? Kiddies are pirating so much that for the
same $ I sacrificed 100gb but got unmetered uploads and ANNEX M. That
still
leaves me with 100GB. How much do you need?
I don't think $ is Peters main concern. Nor speed. This from 6 years
ago...
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/Internetlife/2007-07-19-swedis…
Johnny
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On 6 Oct 2013, at 4:37 pm, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Are the scripts not running?
Scripts?
Brian's scripts that push out new configs upon IP change.
I don't have brians scripts, and I'm using a config tool based on
netconf/yang to configure my routers. A Yang model for HECNet, anyone?
Meanwhile, if anyone need me to change a tunel on a box I hapens to
operate, send me a email with the needed info.
(Why do addresses change? T10 nor T20 speak DHCP or ND?)
-P
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 2013-10-06 22:10, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 6 Oct 2013, at 21:11, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I think I've seen VT340s for something like $300-$500 approx. Refurbished. Less if just used.
That borderline doable - it's more than I've paid for most of DEC gear lol..
Saw a used VT340 on on ebay for $200 just a few days ago.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
