John Floren skrev:
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Zane H. Healy wrote:
> At 7:02 PM -0700 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong wrote:
>> >Would it also solve his Firewall problem, if he's the one initiating
>>> the connection?
>>
>> I don't think so - he'll still have to configure his router to accept
>> incoming UDP packets on port 700 and forward them to his VAX.
>
> Ugh, you're right, I forgot what a nightmare that was with my Firewall.
If it were to use TCP, things would be a lot easier in this regard.
However, with UDP, you need to set things up more explicitly, since the
incoming and outgoing traffic isn't really related from the UDP protocol
point of view. UDP don't have the concept of a connection.
Johnny
Ok, I guess it would be best to use the bridge program. I should be
able to get a port forwarded to my laptop; I'll have to look a little
deeper to see what I need to do to get the laptop to re-forward that
port on to the Alpha (should just be an iptables command, I hope,
which I could add to the current gateway setup script).
Johnny, since nobody else has offerred to be the other end of my
tunnel, I guess I'll be making the hop to Uppsala.
Alright. Let's go with that for now.
Let me know when you want to experiment with this. We might as well take it off list...
Johnny
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Bob Armstrong skrev:
Does anybody know the procedure for installing F77 v5.4 on RSTS/E 10.1?
@[0,1]INSTAL doesn't seem to work for that. There's a F77 v5.2 manual on
Bitsavers, but the RUN $BUILD procedure that it recommends also doesn't seem
to work for F77 v5.4.
V5.4 uses Auto-Install. If V1.1 or higher haven't been installed on your system, you need to do that first.
$ RESTORE/REPLACE/ACCOUNT//END=NODISMOUNT indev:[1,2]AUT101.A AUTOIN$:*.*
To invoke Auto-Install:
$ @AUTOIN$:AUTOIN.COM
(optionally)
$ @AUTOIN$:AUTOIN.COM F77 or
$ $AUTOIN$:AUTOIN.COM indev:F77
Bob Armstrong wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
Give me some time (tomorrow perhaps), and I'll check in the manuals.
Thanks, I'd appreciate it. A long time ago I used RSX and VMS a lot, but
I've never touched RSTS until now so I know almost nothing.
I think the RSX manuals also holds how to install on RSTS/E.
At least in the case of F77 v5.2, there is only one installation manual -
it has chapters for RSX, RSTS and IAS.
Ok. In that case we should be good, since I have the 5.4 manuals.
Johnny
Johnny Billquist wrote:
Give me some time (tomorrow perhaps), and I'll check in the manuals.
Thanks, I'd appreciate it. A long time ago I used RSX and VMS a lot, but
I've never touched RSTS until now so I know almost nothing.
I think the RSX manuals also holds how to install on RSTS/E.
At least in the case of F77 v5.2, there is only one installation manual -
it has chapters for RSX, RSTS and IAS.
Bob
Give me some time (tomorrow perhaps), and I'll check in the manuals. I think the RSX manuals also holds how to install on RSTS/E.
Johnny
Bob Armstrong skrev:
Does anybody know the procedure for installing F77 v5.4 on RSTS/E 10.1?
@[0,1]INSTAL doesn't seem to work for that. There's a F77 v5.2 manual on
Bitsavers, but the RUN $BUILD procedure that it recommends also doesn't seem
to work for F77 v5.4.
Thanks,
Bob
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at update.uu.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 7:34 PM -0700 3/31/08, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Does anybody know the procedure for installing F77 v5.4 on RSTS/E
10.1? @[0,1]INSTAL doesn't seem to work for that. There's a F77
v5.2 manual on Bitsavers, but the RUN $BUILD procedure that it
recommends also doesn't seem to work for F77 v5.4.
What is the media that you're trying to install from? TK50? Are you
going to get a RSTS/E 10.1 system up on HECnet? I don't have the
necessary cooling to run mine. :^(
Zane
Zane, I'll most likely put up a V8 and a V9.6 system, but like you, I'm
not willing to put my my 11/53 10.1 system online without adequate air
to keep things cool and my 11/73 is still in the hands of my nephew. I
never had ethernet cards for either one so I would put up simh boxes.
Bob I haven't done an F77 install in over 20 years, but as I recall you
can most likely put the executables in [1,2] and the libraries in LB:
and just put in the CCL for F77 to be up and running. I never did like
the DCL install routines as they always messed up the logical tables.
Brett
What is the media that you're trying to install from? TK50?
Actually right now I'm doing it on simh - it's faster for "trial and
error" experiments than the real hardware. But I do have a 11/53+ w/ 3.5MB,
2xRA73s and a TK70 that I plan to eventually install it all on.
Are you going to get a RSTS/E 10.1 system up on HECnet?
Eventually, yes, although it probably won't run 24x7.
I don't have the necessary cooling to run mine. :^(
In the Pacific Northwest electricity is cheap - here in CA I can't afford
the power to feed all these machines!
Bob
At 7:34 PM -0700 3/31/08, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Does anybody know the procedure for installing F77 v5.4 on RSTS/E 10.1? @[0,1]INSTAL doesn't seem to work for that. There's a F77 v5.2 manual on Bitsavers, but the RUN $BUILD procedure that it recommends also doesn't seem to work for F77 v5.4.
What is the media that you're trying to install from? TK50? Are you going to get a RSTS/E 10.1 system up on HECnet? I don't have the necessary cooling to run mine. :^(
Zane
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Does anybody know the procedure for installing F77 v5.4 on RSTS/E 10.1? @[0,1]INSTAL doesn t seem to work for that. There s a F77 v5.2 manual on Bitsavers, but the RUN $BUILD procedure that it recommends also doesn t seem to work for F77 v5.4.
Thanks,
Bob
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 7:02 PM -0700 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Would it also solve his Firewall problem, if he's the one initiating
the connection?
I don't think so - he'll still have to configure his router to accept
incoming UDP packets on port 700 and forward them to his VAX.
Ugh, you're right, I forgot what a nightmare that was with my Firewall.
If it were to use TCP, things would be a lot easier in this regard.
However, with UDP, you need to set things up more explicitly, since the
incoming and outgoing traffic isn't really related from the UDP protocol
point of view. UDP don't have the concept of a connection.
Johnny
Ok, I guess it would be best to use the bridge program. I should be
able to get a port forwarded to my laptop; I'll have to look a little
deeper to see what I need to do to get the laptop to re-forward that
port on to the Alpha (should just be an iptables command, I hope,
which I could add to the current gateway setup script).
Johnny, since nobody else has offerred to be the other end of my
tunnel, I guess I'll be making the hop to Uppsala.
John
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