Would it also solve his Firewall problem, if he's the one initiating
the connection?
I don't think so - he'll still have to configure his router to accept
incoming UDP packets on port 700 and forward them to his VAX.
Bob
At 6:51 PM -0700 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong wrote:
>I am willing to switch to Multinet, I'd just like to know why I
should.
Well, it can do the DECnet over IP tunneling without any additional machines or software.
Would it also solve his Firewall problem, if he's the one initiating the connection?
Zane
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At 6:42 PM -0700 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong wrote:
>Quick question--LOKI already has DECnet-Plus installed, that will work
for HECnet, right? As I understand it, DECnet-Plus is backwards
compatible with Phase IV?
It's supposed to be, but I don't know anyone on HECnet who is actually using it. Many/most HECnet nodes are rather old and can barely manage Phase-IV :-)
MONK originally ran DECnet Phase V, it was *upgraded* to Phase IV right after I got on HECnet. Things seem to work better with Phase IV.
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I am willing to switch to Multinet, I'd just like to know why I
should.
Well, it can do the DECnet over IP tunneling without any additional machines or software.
Bob
On 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
I have UCX on both of them; I use LOKI by far the most.
If you were willing to switch to Multinet (which has a free hobbyist license _and_ is a lot better than UCX) you'd be all set to connect.
I am willing to switch to Multinet, I'd just like to know why I
should. Considering that my current configuration uses only outgoing
ssh, FTP, and a little HTTP, I don't put much load on my TCP/IP
software.
Quick question--LOKI already has DECnet-Plus installed, that will work
for HECnet, right? As I understand it, DECnet-Plus is backwards
compatible with Phase IV?
It's supposed to be, but I don't know anyone on HECnet who is actually using it. Many/most HECnet nodes are rather old and can barely manage Phase-IV :-)
Bob
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I have UCX on both of them; I use LOKI by far the most.
If you were willing to switch to Multinet (which has a free hobbyist license _and_ is a lot better than UCX) you'd be all set to connect.
Quick question--LOKI already has DECnet-Plus installed, that will work
for HECnet, right? As I understand it, DECnet-Plus is backwards
compatible with Phase IV?
It's supposed to be, but I don't know anyone on HECnet who is actually using it. Many/most HECnet nodes are rather old and can barely manage Phase-IV :-)
Bob
On 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
Wouldn't it be best to have someone geographically closer for reasons of latency?
I don't think it really matters much anymore and besides, it's not as if HECnet is a high bandwidth application :-)
I'll be using Johnny's tunnel program.
Then I think you're going to have to connect to his server, regardless of geography.
Ok, then I guess I may end up using one of Johnny's machines after all.
open ports on the LAN, something I can't easily do.
AFAIK, you'll have to open ports in either case. Multinet uses UDP port 700; I don't know about Johnny's program.
If it's an outbound port, there's no problem; we're talking about your
typical Linksys wireless router sitting on a cable modem. If I need to
open an inbound port, which wouldn't surprise me, I'll talk to the
landlady... she'll probably approve, she knows I work in computing and
for some reason that makes people assume I know what I'm doing ;)
LOKI:: Alphastation 250 4/266 running OpenVMS 8.3
FAFNIR:: VAXstation 4000-60 running OpenVMS 7.3
Do you already have TCP/IP on either of these machines? What/which one are you using?
I have UCX on both of them; I use LOKI by far the most.
Quick question--LOKI already has DECnet-Plus installed, that will work
for HECnet, right? As I understand it, DECnet-Plus is backwards
compatible with Phase IV?
John
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Wouldn't it be best to have someone geographically closer for reasons of latency?
I don't think it really matters much anymore and besides, it's not as if HECnet is a high bandwidth application :-)
I'll be using Johnny's tunnel program.
Then I think you're going to have to connect to his server, regardless of geography.
open ports on the LAN, something I can't easily do.
AFAIK, you'll have to open ports in either case. Multinet uses UDP port 700; I don't know about Johnny's program.
LOKI:: Alphastation 250 4/266 running OpenVMS 8.3
FAFNIR:: VAXstation 4000-60 running OpenVMS 7.3
Do you already have TCP/IP on either of these machines? What/which one are you using?
Bob
On 3/30/08, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
Obviously I can, but there might be people a bit closer than Uppsala, Sweden. :-)
John Floren skrev:
Hi everyone
I'm located in the San Francisco, CA area and would like to add my VMS
node to HECnet. I'm looking for someone relatively close that would be
willing to bridge DECnet to me and help walk me through setting up the
configuration on my end.
Thanks
I don't think it matters so much where anybody lives, unless you need some "hands on" help of some kind.
Your first step is to decide whether you want to connect to HECnet using Johnny's bridge program, which requires that you have a Un*x box to serve as the bridge host, or a Multinet style tunnel, which requires a VMS host to serve as the bridge. Either form of connection can serve as a router for other DECnet nodes on your local network.
I think the current Linux/DECnet implementation can also do Multinet compatible tunnels, but I can't promise it. Christine would know the answer to that...
The next question is how many nodes do you have and what are their names - the node addresses have to be assigned in keeping with the existing allocations, and the node names have to be unique. There's a slightly out of date listing here -
http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/DCN%20Node%20List.pdf
FWIW, I live in Milpitas.
Bob
Wouldn't it be best to have someone geographically closer for reasons
of latency?
I'll be using Johnny's tunnel program. He has told me that my current
setup (LAN with a Linux laptop acting as a gateway to the house
wireless) should be just fine. I am a little concerned because my
laptop is on a private subnet; without looking at the bridge source, I
don't know if I'll have to open ports on the LAN, something I can't
easily do.
I have two systems; I am primarily interested in getting LOKI:: online
but since they're both on the same LAN it should be easy to do both.
LOKI:: Alphastation 250 4/266 running OpenVMS 8.3
FAFNIR:: VAXstation 4000-60 running OpenVMS 7.3
John
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Johnny Billquist wrote:
Obviously I can, but there might be people a bit closer than Uppsala, Sweden. :-)
John Floren skrev:
Hi everyone
I'm located in the San Francisco, CA area and would like to add my VMS
node to HECnet. I'm looking for someone relatively close that would be
willing to bridge DECnet to me and help walk me through setting up the
configuration on my end.
Thanks
I don't think it matters so much where anybody lives, unless you need some "hands on" help of some kind.
Your first step is to decide whether you want to connect to HECnet using Johnny's bridge program, which requires that you have a Un*x box to serve as the bridge host, or a Multinet style tunnel, which requires a VMS host to serve as the bridge. Either form of connection can serve as a router for other DECnet nodes on your local network.
I think the current Linux/DECnet implementation can also do Multinet compatible tunnels, but I can't promise it. Christine would know the answer to that...
The next question is how many nodes do you have and what are their names - the node addresses have to be assigned in keeping with the existing allocations, and the node names have to be unique. There's a slightly out of date listing here -
http://www.sparetimegizmos.com/Downloads/DCN%20Node%20List.pdf
FWIW, I live in Milpitas.
Bob
