I don't think you can blame HP for that. It was something DEC already said from the start.
I think the main reason for this was that DEC wanted everyone to move over to Phase V, as they were moving to Alphas.
Johnny
Steve Davidson wrote:
Zane,
While HP says they do not support Alpha's as area routers it works just fine.
Bob Armstrong runs CHARON:: (an Alpha) as an area router. I suspect that HP
did this to encourage migration to IA64, and thus kill off Alpha even sooner.
-Steve
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV area
router you need to be running a VAX?
Can Phase V act as an area router?
I'm contemplating figuring out what Alpha has the lowest power requirements,
and bringing it online in place of MONK (a very power hungry XP1000 with
plenty of external drives).
Then again a VAX would probably pull even less. Believe it or not, the
"killer app" that I'm having a hard time living without is DEC Document.
Zane
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Mark Wickens wrote:
Folks
I've just finished configuring my Alphaserver 300 4/266 running Digital
Unix 4.0G to be on HECnet via DECNET/OSI basic configuration. I don't
know whether there are other Digital Unix systems out there! The new
node is 1.258, TIGER, requiring a node list update to find.
Next step is to install the Mailbus 400 SMTP Gateway...
Nice!
Does anyone have DECnet for Ultrix around? I have Ultrix 4.5 here, but
no DECnet... :-)
Known OSes on HECnet:
RSX
VMS
P/OS
TOPS-20
RSTS/E
OSF/1
Linux
Windows
Missing (as far as I know):
Ultrix
TOPS-10 (could it even connect to DECnet?)
RT-11
RTS/8 (doubtful if possible, supposedly only supported phase II)
(MAC)
(SUN/OS)
(Genera)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV area
router you need to be running a VAX?
Can Phase V act as an area router?
I'm contemplating figuring out what Alpha has the lowest power requirements,
and bringing it online in place of MONK (a very power hungry XP1000 with
plenty of external drives).
Then again a VAX would probably pull even less. Believe it or not, the
"killer app" that I'm having a hard time living without is DEC Document.
Correct. Only VAX support Area routing. Alphas support level 1 routing
only. And unless I misremember, the same applies to Phase V. Level 1
routing only.
That said, I don't know if there might be some magic trick to get an
Alpha to do area routing anyway, even though it's not supported...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Zane,
While HP says they do not support Alpha's as area routers it works just fine.
Bob Armstrong runs CHARON:: (an Alpha) as an area router. I suspect that HP
did this to encourage migration to IA64, and thus kill off Alpha even sooner.
-Steve
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV area
router you need to be running a VAX?
Can Phase V act as an area router?
I'm contemplating figuring out what Alpha has the lowest power requirements,
and bringing it online in place of MONK (a very power hungry XP1000 with
plenty of external drives).
Then again a VAX would probably pull even less. Believe it or not, the
"killer app" that I'm having a hard time living without is DEC Document.
Zane
You can always run SIMH of course of another box...
Sampsa
On 4 Jun 2010, at 23:40, Mark Wickens wrote:
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:29 -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV area
router you need to be running a VAX?
Can Phase V act as an area router?
I'm contemplating figuring out what Alpha has the lowest power requirements,
and bringing it online in place of MONK (a very power hungry XP1000 with
plenty of external drives).
Then again a VAX would probably pull even less. Believe it or not, the
"killer app" that I'm having a hard time living without is DEC Document.
Zane
My power consumption page might help a bit:
http://lakesdev.blogspot.com/2008/09/power-consumption-of-computers-and.html
The VAXstation 4000/VLC takes the lowest power but at about 6 VUPS it is
quite slow. The 4000/60 and 4000/90 (BUBBLE) take about 100 Watts, which
is twice as much, but are *so* much more usable.
In terms of alpha, the lowest power I've found so far is the Alphaserver
300 4/266 (TIGER) which clocks at about 100 watts. The Alphaserver 1000A
runs at about 180 watts which is pretty good given the expansion
possibilities (it has a BA356 8 drive enclosure built in).
I'm currently running a BUBBLE and TIGER 24/7 which is a VAX and Alpha
node for 200 watts total.
Mark.
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:29 -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV area
router you need to be running a VAX?
Can Phase V act as an area router?
I'm contemplating figuring out what Alpha has the lowest power requirements,
and bringing it online in place of MONK (a very power hungry XP1000 with
plenty of external drives).
Then again a VAX would probably pull even less. Believe it or not, the
"killer app" that I'm having a hard time living without is DEC Document.
Zane
My power consumption page might help a bit:
http://lakesdev.blogspot.com/2008/09/power-consumption-of-computers-and.html
The VAXstation 4000/VLC takes the lowest power but at about 6 VUPS it is
quite slow. The 4000/60 and 4000/90 (BUBBLE) take about 100 Watts, which
is twice as much, but are *so* much more usable.
In terms of alpha, the lowest power I've found so far is the Alphaserver
300 4/266 (TIGER) which clocks at about 100 watts. The Alphaserver 1000A
runs at about 180 watts which is pretty good given the expansion
possibilities (it has a BA356 8 drive enclosure built in).
I'm currently running a BUBBLE and TIGER 24/7 which is a VAX and Alpha
node for 200 watts total.
Mark.
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV area
router you need to be running a VAX?
It's been ages, but I didn't think this was a requirement. A quick Google check found this article - http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/wiz_5081.html - which does say that a VAX is required. It mentions DECnet Phase V routing supporting "host-based routing".
As an aside, the only VAX routing requirement that I did remember was that MRGATE, the Message Router gateway product, was VAX only, so for those systems running Message Router with Alphas, they'd have to keep a VAX around to get their content out. Back in those days, I worked at Innosoft and we had a product, PMDF-MR, which allowed for e-mail gatewaying to Message Router without requiring a VAX since we emulated MRGATE.
--Marc
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV area
router you need to be running a VAX?
Can Phase V act as an area router?
I'm contemplating figuring out what Alpha has the lowest power requirements,
and bringing it online in place of MONK (a very power hungry XP1000 with
plenty of external drives).
Then again a VAX would probably pull even less. Believe it or not, the
"killer app" that I'm having a hard time living without is DEC Document.
Zane
Folks
I've just finished configuring my Alphaserver 300 4/266 running Digital
Unix 4.0G to be on HECnet via DECNET/OSI basic configuration. I don't
know whether there are other Digital Unix systems out there! The new
node is 1.258, TIGER, requiring a node list update to find.
Next step is to install the Mailbus 400 SMTP Gateway...
Regards, Mark.
I probably should have pointed out that if you have multiple machines then you can make one responsible for using this procedure and all others acquiring their updates from that updated machine. Just change the "MIM" in the procedure to your local machine that was updated using MIM. Distributed is *the* way to go here. No need to beat on MIM. MIM has been very good to all of us!
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Sampsa Laine
Sent: Fri 6/4/2010 10:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Network nodename database procedure available
I say we all run it at EXACTLY the same time, see if we can crash MIM
on a weekly basis too :)
Sampsa
On 4 Jun 2010, at 15:48, Steve Davidson wrote:
I have written a quick (and dirty) little procedure to update the
network database on VMS platforms. This procedure (a batch job),
will acquire the latest database from MIM:: on a weekly basis.
The procedure is located at MIM::[DECNET]NETUPDATE.COM (thanks
Johnny). I will update it from time-to-time as necessary and re-
post that fact here.
I would store this procedure in a "common" place (ie SYS$COMMON:
[SYSMGR]) or if you have it, a dedicated area that you already store
command/batch job procedures (files). Pick a time and then run it
as a normal command procedure. It is self-submitting so it will
happily re-submit as part of the procedure. The procedure makes two
assumptions: First that the batch queue you will be using is SYS
$BATCH, and second that you want the update to occur on a weekly
basis. You are of course free to change either.
As always, please review any file that is submitted before
committing to execute it, and if you have questions just ask.
Regards,
-Steve
