That said, I don't know if there might be some magic trick to get an
Alpha to do area routing anyway, even though it's not supported...
It "just works" - CHARON is an AXP, and it does DECnet area routing just fine. Ignore the documentation that says you can't do it, set your executor type to 'AREA' and that's all you need.
Bob
Johnny,
I think I would rather have P/OS on the beast. The terminal service and
memory management is so much better. I was working in the RT-11 group when
RT-11 on the PRO first shipped and the 2 biggest complaints we heard were that
terminal emulation was not as nice as P/OS and DECnet is such a hog that the
XM monitor should be reworked to accomodate it!
For all the complaints about P/OS it did just fine - if you went with the
patch to side-step the menu system. What I would rather have seen (and they
did work on it at some level) was RSTS/E on the PRO. That would have been
GREAT!
-Steve
Steve Davidson wrote:
I have an ULTRIX kit, but no license. I also have Digital UNIX but again no
license. I do not have DECnet for either - sorry.
Ah. Too bad. The kits I have too. And license (well, for Ultrix atleast).
But no kit for DECnet.
I am working on getting a PRO-380 (RT-11) w/DECnet to talk to HECnet. The
DECNA has died a horrible death but the com port may be a possibility.
Wish I had a DECNA. By PRO-380 is connected to HECnet using the comm
port, but that machine is running P/OS. (BEA::)
Johnny
-Steve
Mark Wickens wrote:
Folks
I've just finished configuring my Alphaserver 300 4/266 running Digital
Unix 4.0G to be on HECnet via DECNET/OSI basic configuration. I don't
know whether there are other Digital Unix systems out there! The new
node is 1.258, TIGER, requiring a node list update to find.
Next step is to install the Mailbus 400 SMTP Gateway...
Nice!
Does anyone have DECnet for Ultrix around? I have Ultrix 4.5 here, but
no DECnet... :-)
Known OSes on HECnet:
RSX
VMS
P/OS
TOPS-20
RSTS/E
OSF/1
Linux
Windows
Missing (as far as I know):
Ultrix
TOPS-10 (could it even connect to DECnet?)
RT-11
RTS/8 (doubtful if possible, supposedly only supported phase II)
(MAC)
(SUN/OS)
(Genera)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Steve Davidson wrote:
I have an ULTRIX kit, but no license. I also have Digital UNIX but again no
license. I do not have DECnet for either - sorry.
Ah. Too bad. The kits I have too. And license (well, for Ultrix atleast).
But no kit for DECnet.
I am working on getting a PRO-380 (RT-11) w/DECnet to talk to HECnet. The
DECNA has died a horrible death but the com port may be a possibility.
Wish I had a DECNA. By PRO-380 is connected to HECnet using the comm port, but that machine is running P/OS. (BEA::)
Johnny
-Steve
Mark Wickens wrote:
Folks
I've just finished configuring my Alphaserver 300 4/266 running Digital
Unix 4.0G to be on HECnet via DECNET/OSI basic configuration. I don't
know whether there are other Digital Unix systems out there! The new
node is 1.258, TIGER, requiring a node list update to find.
Next step is to install the Mailbus 400 SMTP Gateway...
Nice!
Does anyone have DECnet for Ultrix around? I have Ultrix 4.5 here, but
no DECnet... :-)
Known OSes on HECnet:
RSX
VMS
P/OS
TOPS-20
RSTS/E
OSF/1
Linux
Windows
Missing (as far as I know):
Ultrix
TOPS-10 (could it even connect to DECnet?)
RT-11
RTS/8 (doubtful if possible, supposedly only supported phase II)
(MAC)
(SUN/OS)
(Genera)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I have an ULTRIX kit, but no license. I also have Digital UNIX but again no
license. I do not have DECnet for either - sorry.
I am working on getting a PRO-380 (RT-11) w/DECnet to talk to HECnet. The
DECNA has died a horrible death but the com port may be a possibility.
-Steve
Mark Wickens wrote:
Folks
I've just finished configuring my Alphaserver 300 4/266 running Digital
Unix 4.0G to be on HECnet via DECNET/OSI basic configuration. I don't
know whether there are other Digital Unix systems out there! The new
node is 1.258, TIGER, requiring a node list update to find.
Next step is to install the Mailbus 400 SMTP Gateway...
Nice!
Does anyone have DECnet for Ultrix around? I have Ultrix 4.5 here, but
no DECnet... :-)
Known OSes on HECnet:
RSX
VMS
P/OS
TOPS-20
RSTS/E
OSF/1
Linux
Windows
Missing (as far as I know):
Ultrix
TOPS-10 (could it even connect to DECnet?)
RT-11
RTS/8 (doubtful if possible, supposedly only supported phase II)
(MAC)
(SUN/OS)
(Genera)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
This works GREAT as well. STRGTE is a P3, 667MHz running NetBSD/SIMH and the
VS3900 ka655x.bin.
-Steve
You can always run SIMH of course of another box...
Sampsa
On 4 Jun 2010, at 23:40, Mark Wickens wrote:
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:29 -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV
area
router you need to be running a VAX?
Can Phase V act as an area router?
I'm contemplating figuring out what Alpha has the lowest power
requirements,
and bringing it online in place of MONK (a very power hungry XP1000
with
plenty of external drives).
Then again a VAX would probably pull even less. Believe it or not,
the
"killer app" that I'm having a hard time living without is DEC
Document.
Zane
My power consumption page might help a bit:
http://lakesdev.blogspot.com/2008/09/power-consumption-of-computers-and.html
The VAXstation 4000/VLC takes the lowest power but at about 6 VUPS
it is
quite slow. The 4000/60 and 4000/90 (BUBBLE) take about 100 Watts,
which
is twice as much, but are *so* much more usable.
In terms of alpha, the lowest power I've found so far is the
Alphaserver
300 4/266 (TIGER) which clocks at about 100 watts. The Alphaserver
1000A
runs at about 180 watts which is pretty good given the expansion
possibilities (it has a BA356 8 drive enclosure built in).
I'm currently running a BUBBLE and TIGER 24/7 which is a VAX and Alpha
node for 200 watts total.
Mark.
Well...
My VAXstation 4000 VLC is quite fast! A little planning and some tuning and
away you go. The Multinet Gateway here is a VS4000/VLC. It does have 24MB
of memory - highly recommended and, 1.28GB of disk space for a system disk.
It's also one of the quietest VAXen I have ever dealt with.
The other VS4K/VLC is my workstation. It runs DW-MOTIF at a fairly good clip.
I have no complaints and you can't beat the size and the lack of heat produced!
-Steve
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 15:29 -0700, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV area
router you need to be running a VAX?
Can Phase V act as an area router?
I'm contemplating figuring out what Alpha has the lowest power requirements,
and bringing it online in place of MONK (a very power hungry XP1000 with
plenty of external drives).
Then again a VAX would probably pull even less. Believe it or not, the
"killer app" that I'm having a hard time living without is DEC Document.
Zane
My power consumption page might help a bit:
http://lakesdev.blogspot.com/2008/09/power-consumption-of-computers-and.html
The VAXstation 4000/VLC takes the lowest power but at about 6 VUPS it is
quite slow. The 4000/60 and 4000/90 (BUBBLE) take about 100 Watts, which
is twice as much, but are *so* much more usable.
In terms of alpha, the lowest power I've found so far is the Alphaserver
300 4/266 (TIGER) which clocks at about 100 watts. The Alphaserver 1000A
runs at about 180 watts which is pretty good given the expansion
possibilities (it has a BA356 8 drive enclosure built in).
I'm currently running a BUBBLE and TIGER 24/7 which is a VAX and Alpha
node for 200 watts total.
Mark.
I don't think you can blame HP for that. It was something DEC already said from the start.
I think the main reason for this was that DEC wanted everyone to move over to Phase V, as they were moving to Alphas.
Johnny
Steve Davidson wrote:
Zane,
While HP says they do not support Alpha's as area routers it works just fine.
Bob Armstrong runs CHARON:: (an Alpha) as an area router. I suspect that HP
did this to encourage migration to IA64, and thus kill off Alpha even sooner.
-Steve
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV area
router you need to be running a VAX?
Can Phase V act as an area router?
I'm contemplating figuring out what Alpha has the lowest power requirements,
and bringing it online in place of MONK (a very power hungry XP1000 with
plenty of external drives).
Then again a VAX would probably pull even less. Believe it or not, the
"killer app" that I'm having a hard time living without is DEC Document.
Zane
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Mark Wickens wrote:
Folks
I've just finished configuring my Alphaserver 300 4/266 running Digital
Unix 4.0G to be on HECnet via DECNET/OSI basic configuration. I don't
know whether there are other Digital Unix systems out there! The new
node is 1.258, TIGER, requiring a node list update to find.
Next step is to install the Mailbus 400 SMTP Gateway...
Nice!
Does anyone have DECnet for Ultrix around? I have Ultrix 4.5 here, but
no DECnet... :-)
Known OSes on HECnet:
RSX
VMS
P/OS
TOPS-20
RSTS/E
OSF/1
Linux
Windows
Missing (as far as I know):
Ultrix
TOPS-10 (could it even connect to DECnet?)
RT-11
RTS/8 (doubtful if possible, supposedly only supported phase II)
(MAC)
(SUN/OS)
(Genera)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV area
router you need to be running a VAX?
Can Phase V act as an area router?
I'm contemplating figuring out what Alpha has the lowest power requirements,
and bringing it online in place of MONK (a very power hungry XP1000 with
plenty of external drives).
Then again a VAX would probably pull even less. Believe it or not, the
"killer app" that I'm having a hard time living without is DEC Document.
Correct. Only VAX support Area routing. Alphas support level 1 routing
only. And unless I misremember, the same applies to Phase V. Level 1
routing only.
That said, I don't know if there might be some magic trick to get an
Alpha to do area routing anyway, even though it's not supported...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Zane,
While HP says they do not support Alpha's as area routers it works just fine.
Bob Armstrong runs CHARON:: (an Alpha) as an area router. I suspect that HP
did this to encourage migration to IA64, and thus kill off Alpha even sooner.
-Steve
Am I remembering correctly that in order to have a DECnet Phase IV area
router you need to be running a VAX?
Can Phase V act as an area router?
I'm contemplating figuring out what Alpha has the lowest power requirements,
and bringing it online in place of MONK (a very power hungry XP1000 with
plenty of external drives).
Then again a VAX would probably pull even less. Believe it or not, the
"killer app" that I'm having a hard time living without is DEC Document.
Zane
