Yah, I figure I cold just edit [1,2]startup.cmd to execute a modified NETINS.CMD, edited to remove the questions about whatpieces to start, but I'm wondering if that's what the fast guys do
--
ASN LB:=XX:
SET /NETUIC=[5,54]
.SETT $CEX
.SETT $DEC
.SETT $NNS
.SETT $LAT
SET /UIC=[5,1]
@NETINS
--
I must have used the same image you are talking about. I had to BRU it to a bigger disk first to avoid running out of headers during the netgen.
Ah, I didn't save the mail message, but it involved setting the machine type in simh to 11/93, so a TOY clock is available, and commenting out the time setting dialogue in [1,2]startup.cmd. That and putting the command "boot rq0" as the last command in PDP11.INI were enough to take care of the SIMH and RSX startup issues. Then I added an @reboot event in crontab that does the pdp11 command to start simh, and viola - RSX sunning whenever the power is on.
Yah, I figure I cold just edit [1,2]startup.cmd to execute a modified NETINS.CMD, edited to remove the questions about whatpieces to start, but I'm wondering if that's what the fast guys do
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Benson
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:18 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet startup on RSX11m+ V4.6
On 19 Apr 2013, at 21:26, Lee Gleason wrote:
I ve got DECNet running on RSX11m+ V4.6, on simh on a raspberry PI.
How did you do this, do you have the tape images? I have a pre-installed disk image for 4.6 but my NETGEN failed on it due to lack of file nodes and it needs migrating to a new disk with more nodes.
I ve gotten RSX startup automated on PI power up thanks to a HECnet list discussion from a month or so ago.
Could you point me to the relevant archived mail conversation? I'm trying to do this myself with VAX and PDP-11 emulations :)
I d like to automate the startup of DECnet as well, so it all comes to life whenever power is applied.
What s the hot setup for automating this? I never had DECnet back in the day when I was managing 11s, so I never got to look into the best way to go about this.
Your bootstrap startup file is STARTUP.CMD - I think if you tack the command(s) (which I have forgotten, damned addled brain) in at a late but relevant position in that file it'll fire off when you bootstrap RSX-11M+. I used to have one of my previous RSX-11M+ 4.2 emulations setup this way.
--
Mark Benson
http://DECtec.info
Twitter: @DECtecInfo
HECnet: STAR69::MARK
Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.
On 19 Apr 2013, at 21:26, Lee Gleason wrote:
I ve got DECNet running on RSX11m+ V4.6, on simh on a raspberry PI.
How did you do this, do you have the tape images? I have a pre-installed disk image for 4.6 but my NETGEN failed on it due to lack of file nodes and it needs migrating to a new disk with more nodes.
I ve gotten RSX startup automated on PI power up thanks to a HECnet list discussion from a month or so ago.
Could you point me to the relevant archived mail conversation? I'm trying to do this myself with VAX and PDP-11 emulations :)
I d like to automate the startup of DECnet as well, so it all comes to life whenever power is applied.
What s the hot setup for automating this? I never had DECnet back in the day when I was managing 11s, so I never got to look into the best way to go about this.
Your bootstrap startup file is STARTUP.CMD - I think if you tack the command(s) (which I have forgotten, damned addled brain) in at a late but relevant position in that file it'll fire off when you bootstrap RSX-11M+. I used to have one of my previous RSX-11M+ 4.2 emulations setup this way.
--
Mark Benson
http://DECtec.info
Twitter: @DECtecInfo
HECnet: STAR69::MARK
Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.
Did they call ANF-10 DECnet phase 1?
-P
For historical amusement...
In reading the Phase II NSP spec, I spotted a summary of how that differs f=
rom Phase I. I've never seen any Phase I documents (perhaps no formal docu=
ments ever existed?). From the discussion in the Phase II spec, it's clear=
that Phase I is quite a different protocol. Phase II through IV are all v=
ery closely related, especially at layer 4 and above. Not so Phase I -- it=
would be quite difficult (at best) to make an NSP implementation that coul=
d speak both Phase I and Phase II. I don't see any signs that this was eve=
r done. For example, there is no "how to interoperate with the previous ve=
rsion" chapter in the Phase II spec -- unlike the Phase III and IV specs.
paul
I ve got DECNet running on RSX11m+ V4.6, on simh on a raspberry PI. I ve gotten RSX startup automated on PI power up thanks to a HECnet list discussion from a month or so ago. I d like to automate the startup of DECnet as well, so it all comes to life whenever power is applied.
What s the hot setup for automating this? I never had DECnet back in the day when I was managing 11s, so I never got to look into the best way to go about this.
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at gmail.com
Yah, it was 6 bit tape for text preparation, with 8 bit tape used for programming & setup of the phototypesetters. Meant a lot of messing around with the tape readers, since one width of tape expected the feed holes to align with the center of the data holes, and the other width expected the feed holes to align with the leading edge of the data holes.
Speaking of Flexowriters, we had one of those for doing commercial mass mailings that looked typewritten - I still have one of the 576 bit core memories it used. Each memory board was about 8X11 inches. The individuals cores are really big on these boards.
Good times...when you weren't dozens of levels removed from the actual physic of computation.
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
-----Original Message----- From: Paul_Koning at Dell.com
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 1:46 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] punched tape
On Apr 19, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Lee Gleason wrote:
How many people on this list have ever used paper tape at a job? My first computer job we used it to control phototypesetting machines. When an 11/70 was added to the mix of gear there, we ordered it with paper tape readers and punches on it to help in transitioning away from the paper tape only gear it was replacing.
That was probably 6 bit tape -- most typesetters I've seen that were fed with tape used 6 bit tape.
My first programs were written on paper tape -- Flexowriter editing papertape typewriter/reader/punch machines, with a character set optimized for Algol 60. That was at the Technical University Eindhoven, then known as THE -- which is where the operating system by that name came from. It was a batch system: paper tape in, line printer output. Magnetic tapes available in theory but rarely used, plus a drum for paging. Processor was a Philips (Electrologica) EL-X8, a 27 bit machine with a rather exotic I/O architecture that I never really understood.
BTW, Flexowriters are great machines. Teletype Corporation never built anything remotely as reliable as those -- certainly not the cruft known as Model 33, and even a Model 35 isn't as good.
Semaphores (in the computer science sense) were invented there.
paul
On 04/19/2013 03:27 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
73,
Is that a number, a misplaced number, or did I break my encoding
again?
It's ham parlance, CW shorthand, that basically means "seeya, have a
good one".
> Actually it means "Regards" or "Best Regards".
Oh good heavens. Same sentiment...and used in exactly that way since well before either of us were born.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Mark Wickens
Sent: 19 April 2013 09:11
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] punched tape
Hi folks,
I've got a crazy idea, so please humour me...
Does anyone have a length of punched tape they could send me? Ideally tape
that is five bit, which is 11/16 inch wide I believe.
I'm presuming that there is nowhere to obtain paper tape anymore?
Thanks, Mark.
I have some paper tape that came with ASR33 Teletype I got a while ago, but
that tape is wider and I have momentarily mislaid it. Let me know if it
would help. How much would you want?
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Dave McGuire
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:21 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] punched tape
On 04/19/2013 12:17 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Ian VE7BST
(wow, there are a lot of hams on this list coming out of the
woodwork)
Yes there are. ;)
73,
Is that a number, a misplaced number, or did I break my encoding
again?
It's ham parlance, CW shorthand, that basically means "seeya, have a
good one".
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Actually it means "Regards" or "Best Regards".
-Steve, K1SMD
On 4/19/2013 3:25 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:08 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: Brian Hechinger
Subject: Re: [HECnet] PDP-11 Programming Job
On 2013-04-19 17:47, Brian Hechinger wrote:
http://ds5.org/4190
Someone should go do that.
Paul, I'm looking at you. :)
Damn! Canada is a bit far from Switzerland... :-)
Johnny
But NOT from New Hampshire! :-)
Exactly! ;)
-brian
