On 2013-04-24 00:01, Robert Jarratt wrote:
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tim Sneddon
Sent: 23 April 2013 18:44
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] Italian DECnet...
Hi,
I know there had been discussion before about bringing these two together.
Although, I must admit that I didn't pay too much attention to what went on,
just that I don't think it happened. So, tell me to get lost if this has been
suggested or if nobody cares...
Now that we have Cisco routers and DECbrouters on the network, has
anyone considered connecting a GRE tunnel into their network and then
using the DECnet address translation gateway in IOS to map their network to
an area we allocate specifically for them. That way there is no merging as
such, just a bit of "gluing".
Regards, Tim.
If I had a spec for what is needed I could probably also implement what is needed for the user mode router I have written, it would give a little bit of flexibility too as the code is readily available.
Is the Italian HECnet all one area, or are there multiple areas?
As far as I can remember it's all in one area.
Can Cisco's do area remapping? If so, then let's do it, assuming the italians are interested and have some Cisco box.
Johnny
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pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Tim Sneddon
Sent: 23 April 2013 18:44
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: [HECnet] Italian DECnet...
Hi,
I know there had been discussion before about bringing these two together.
Although, I must admit that I didn't pay too much attention to what went on,
just that I don't think it happened. So, tell me to get lost if this has been
suggested or if nobody cares...
Now that we have Cisco routers and DECbrouters on the network, has
anyone considered connecting a GRE tunnel into their network and then
using the DECnet address translation gateway in IOS to map their network to
an area we allocate specifically for them. That way there is no merging as
such, just a bit of "gluing".
Regards, Tim.
If I had a spec for what is needed I could probably also implement what is needed for the user mode router I have written, it would give a little bit of flexibility too as the code is readily available.
Is the Italian HECnet all one area, or are there multiple areas?
Regards
Rob
Hi,
I know there had been discussion before about bringing these two together. Although, I must admit that I didn't pay too much attention to what went on, just that I don't think it happened. So, tell me to get lost if this has been suggested or if nobody cares...
Now that we have Cisco routers and DECbrouters on the network, has anyone considered connecting a GRE tunnel into their network and then using the DECnet address translation gateway in IOS to map their network to an area we allocate specifically for them. That way there is no merging as such, just a bit of "gluing".
Regards, Tim.
On 2013-04-21 11:57, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-04-21 06:12, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I can t figure this one out I load RSX11M+ from tapes and do a
SYSGEN. All goes perfectly. But then if I do a SYSGEN again (say,
because I want to change something in the first configuration) several
drivers fail to link. Looking at the map file for one, say DLDRV, shows
Undefined references:
$BLKC2
$BMSET
$CVLBN
$MPUBM
$RLCN
$RQCND
$STMAP
$VOLVD
They look like system service calls to me, but the second SYSGEN was
done with the same executive options as the first. In fact, I used the
saved answer file for that part of the SYSGEN all I did the second
time around was to change the peripheral configuration part.
Is there something I m supposed to do to clean up or re-initialize
after the first sysgen?
No. No cleaning up or re-initialization is required.
Yes, the symbols are defined in the kernel. I'm not sure why they fail
to resolve. I've never seen, heard or had this problem.
Could you send the command file that sysgen creates that task builds the
driver?
By the way, DLDRV is vectored, so these symbols are supposed to come from LB:[3,54]RSXVEC.STB. Make sure that file do exist.
Johnny
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email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-04-21 06:12, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I can t figure this one out I load RSX11M+ from tapes and do a
SYSGEN. All goes perfectly. But then if I do a SYSGEN again (say,
because I want to change something in the first configuration) several
drivers fail to link. Looking at the map file for one, say DLDRV, shows
Undefined references:
$BLKC2
$BMSET
$CVLBN
$MPUBM
$RLCN
$RQCND
$STMAP
$VOLVD
They look like system service calls to me, but the second SYSGEN was
done with the same executive options as the first. In fact, I used the
saved answer file for that part of the SYSGEN all I did the second
time around was to change the peripheral configuration part.
Is there something I m supposed to do to clean up or re-initialize
after the first sysgen?
No. No cleaning up or re-initialization is required.
Yes, the symbols are defined in the kernel. I'm not sure why they fail to resolve. I've never seen, heard or had this problem.
Could you send the command file that sysgen creates that task builds the driver?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I can t figure this one out I load RSX11M+ from tapes and do a SYSGEN. All goes perfectly. But then if I do a SYSGEN again (say, because I want to change something in the first configuration) several drivers fail to link. Looking at the map file for one, say DLDRV, shows
Undefined references:
$BLKC2
$BMSET
$CVLBN
$MPUBM
$RLCN
$RQCND
$STMAP
$VOLVD
They look like system service calls to me, but the second SYSGEN was done with the same executive options as the first. In fact, I used the saved answer file for that part of the SYSGEN all I did the second time around was to change the peripheral configuration part.
Is there something I m supposed to do to clean up or re-initialize after the first sysgen?
Thanks,
Bob
On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:14 AM, G. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:11:51 +0000, you wrote:
In reading the Phase II NSP spec...
Are those specs publicly available on the Internet?
Thanks,
G.
Yes, they are. Look in http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/pdf/ for AA-D599A-TC through AA-D602A-TC. Those are the Phase II specs.
paul
On Apr 20, 2013, at 12:34 AM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
Did they call ANF-10 DECnet phase 1?
I don't believe so. DECnet Phase 1 was said to be implemented only on RSX-11/M.
paul
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/20/2013 12:14 PM, Brett Bump wrote:
Oooold people. ;-) I was still in high school at that time. My introduction
to a paper-tape device came about 4 years later (in college) when my physics
prof and I put together a Heathkit H-11 (PDP-11/03 really) that had the
nastiest paper-tape device ever created by man. I think we could get it to
load maybe 1 time out of 20. We then got the 8 inch floppy drive functional
and I think the paper-tape device was relagated to the trash heap.
Ah, bet he's kickin' himself now! I'd easily drop $1K for one of those,
and the few that have hit the market recently have gone for more than that.
$1000.00? For this?:
http://ns1758.ca/winch/heathkit0029.jpg
In a heartbeat.
It was a nightmare. lol
Uh. I'm not looking for one to use for storage for my mail server or
anything. ;)
That would be amusing. I hope you have a lot of tape. ;)
And the box containing the 11/03 wasn't much
better. Except for the dust, our H-11 looked exactly like this one:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/heath11.jpg
Yup. They sucked. But they are very rare, and fairly historically
important, as the only minicomputer (architecturally speaking) to be sold as
a kit. (even though the CPU board itself was supplied assembled, unmodified,
from DEC)
And you haven't had joy in your life until you've put together and tried
to type on that tinker-toy Heathkit terminal (clickity-klackity). Don't
forget you can't delete characters by using backspace, you use rubout:
http://www.thepcmuseum.net/comp_images/photo_HeathkitH89_02.JPG
Yup, the H-9. Mine is the only one I know of that actually works.
Interesting!
I "DID" like that 8" drive however as it would format floppies. ;-)
Yup. Those are almost as scarce as the H-10, unfortunately. I have the
not-quite-as-scarce H17 (dual 5.25" hard-sectored floppy) on one of my H-8s.
The DEC paper-tape drive on the other hand, worked like a dream. It
is probably worth the $1k+ to get it:
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~djg/htdocs/pc04/frontasmb.jpg
Oh yes. And they go for a lot more than $1K.
I myself have an HP optical (300CPS) paper tape reader with a homebrew
Positive I/O Bus interface for the PDP-8/e. It works a treat.
-Dave
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