On 2013-04-21 11:57, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-04-21 06:12, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I can t figure this one out I load RSX11M+ from tapes and do a
SYSGEN. All goes perfectly. But then if I do a SYSGEN again (say,
because I want to change something in the first configuration) several
drivers fail to link. Looking at the map file for one, say DLDRV, shows
Undefined references:
$BLKC2
$BMSET
$CVLBN
$MPUBM
$RLCN
$RQCND
$STMAP
$VOLVD
They look like system service calls to me, but the second SYSGEN was
done with the same executive options as the first. In fact, I used the
saved answer file for that part of the SYSGEN all I did the second
time around was to change the peripheral configuration part.
Is there something I m supposed to do to clean up or re-initialize
after the first sysgen?
No. No cleaning up or re-initialization is required.
Yes, the symbols are defined in the kernel. I'm not sure why they fail
to resolve. I've never seen, heard or had this problem.
Could you send the command file that sysgen creates that task builds the
driver?
By the way, DLDRV is vectored, so these symbols are supposed to come from LB:[3,54]RSXVEC.STB. Make sure that file do exist.
Johnny
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pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-04-21 06:12, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I can t figure this one out I load RSX11M+ from tapes and do a
SYSGEN. All goes perfectly. But then if I do a SYSGEN again (say,
because I want to change something in the first configuration) several
drivers fail to link. Looking at the map file for one, say DLDRV, shows
Undefined references:
$BLKC2
$BMSET
$CVLBN
$MPUBM
$RLCN
$RQCND
$STMAP
$VOLVD
They look like system service calls to me, but the second SYSGEN was
done with the same executive options as the first. In fact, I used the
saved answer file for that part of the SYSGEN all I did the second
time around was to change the peripheral configuration part.
Is there something I m supposed to do to clean up or re-initialize
after the first sysgen?
No. No cleaning up or re-initialization is required.
Yes, the symbols are defined in the kernel. I'm not sure why they fail to resolve. I've never seen, heard or had this problem.
Could you send the command file that sysgen creates that task builds the driver?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I can t figure this one out I load RSX11M+ from tapes and do a SYSGEN. All goes perfectly. But then if I do a SYSGEN again (say, because I want to change something in the first configuration) several drivers fail to link. Looking at the map file for one, say DLDRV, shows
Undefined references:
$BLKC2
$BMSET
$CVLBN
$MPUBM
$RLCN
$RQCND
$STMAP
$VOLVD
They look like system service calls to me, but the second SYSGEN was done with the same executive options as the first. In fact, I used the saved answer file for that part of the SYSGEN all I did the second time around was to change the peripheral configuration part.
Is there something I m supposed to do to clean up or re-initialize after the first sysgen?
Thanks,
Bob
On Apr 20, 2013, at 10:14 AM, G. wrote:
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:11:51 +0000, you wrote:
In reading the Phase II NSP spec...
Are those specs publicly available on the Internet?
Thanks,
G.
Yes, they are. Look in http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/www.computer.museum.uq.edu.au/pdf/ for AA-D599A-TC through AA-D602A-TC. Those are the Phase II specs.
paul
On Apr 20, 2013, at 12:34 AM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
Did they call ANF-10 DECnet phase 1?
I don't believe so. DECnet Phase 1 was said to be implemented only on RSX-11/M.
paul
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/20/2013 12:14 PM, Brett Bump wrote:
Oooold people. ;-) I was still in high school at that time. My introduction
to a paper-tape device came about 4 years later (in college) when my physics
prof and I put together a Heathkit H-11 (PDP-11/03 really) that had the
nastiest paper-tape device ever created by man. I think we could get it to
load maybe 1 time out of 20. We then got the 8 inch floppy drive functional
and I think the paper-tape device was relagated to the trash heap.
Ah, bet he's kickin' himself now! I'd easily drop $1K for one of those,
and the few that have hit the market recently have gone for more than that.
$1000.00? For this?:
http://ns1758.ca/winch/heathkit0029.jpg
In a heartbeat.
It was a nightmare. lol
Uh. I'm not looking for one to use for storage for my mail server or
anything. ;)
That would be amusing. I hope you have a lot of tape. ;)
And the box containing the 11/03 wasn't much
better. Except for the dust, our H-11 looked exactly like this one:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/heath11.jpg
Yup. They sucked. But they are very rare, and fairly historically
important, as the only minicomputer (architecturally speaking) to be sold as
a kit. (even though the CPU board itself was supplied assembled, unmodified,
from DEC)
And you haven't had joy in your life until you've put together and tried
to type on that tinker-toy Heathkit terminal (clickity-klackity). Don't
forget you can't delete characters by using backspace, you use rubout:
http://www.thepcmuseum.net/comp_images/photo_HeathkitH89_02.JPG
Yup, the H-9. Mine is the only one I know of that actually works.
Interesting!
I "DID" like that 8" drive however as it would format floppies. ;-)
Yup. Those are almost as scarce as the H-10, unfortunately. I have the
not-quite-as-scarce H17 (dual 5.25" hard-sectored floppy) on one of my H-8s.
The DEC paper-tape drive on the other hand, worked like a dream. It
is probably worth the $1k+ to get it:
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~djg/htdocs/pc04/frontasmb.jpg
Oh yes. And they go for a lot more than $1K.
I myself have an HP optical (300CPS) paper tape reader with a homebrew
Positive I/O Bus interface for the PDP-8/e. It works a treat.
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff
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On 04/20/2013 12:14 PM, Brett Bump wrote:
Oooold people. ;-) I was still in high school at that time. My introduction
to a paper-tape device came about 4 years later (in college) when my physics
prof and I put together a Heathkit H-11 (PDP-11/03 really) that had the
nastiest paper-tape device ever created by man. I think we could get it to
load maybe 1 time out of 20. We then got the 8 inch floppy drive functional
and I think the paper-tape device was relagated to the trash heap.
Ah, bet he's kickin' himself now! I'd easily drop $1K for one of those,
and the few that have hit the market recently have gone for more than that.
$1000.00? For this?:
http://ns1758.ca/winch/heathkit0029.jpg
In a heartbeat.
It was a nightmare. lol
Uh. I'm not looking for one to use for storage for my mail server or
anything. ;)
And the box containing the 11/03 wasn't much
better. Except for the dust, our H-11 looked exactly like this one:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/heath11.jpg
Yup. They sucked. But they are very rare, and fairly historically
important, as the only minicomputer (architecturally speaking) to be sold as
a kit. (even though the CPU board itself was supplied assembled, unmodified,
from DEC)
And you haven't had joy in your life until you've put together and tried
to type on that tinker-toy Heathkit terminal (clickity-klackity). Don't
forget you can't delete characters by using backspace, you use rubout:
http://www.thepcmuseum.net/comp_images/photo_HeathkitH89_02.JPG
Yup, the H-9. Mine is the only one I know of that actually works.
I "DID" like that 8" drive however as it would format floppies. ;-)
Yup. Those are almost as scarce as the H-10, unfortunately. I have the
not-quite-as-scarce H17 (dual 5.25" hard-sectored floppy) on one of my H-8s.
The DEC paper-tape drive on the other hand, worked like a dream. It
is probably worth the $1k+ to get it:
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~djg/htdocs/pc04/frontasmb.jpg
Oh yes. And they go for a lot more than $1K.
I myself have an HP optical (300CPS) paper tape reader with a homebrew
Positive I/O Bus interface for the PDP-8/e. It works a treat.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Sat, 20 Apr 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/20/2013 08:40 AM, Brett Bump wrote:
Oooold people. ;-) I was still in high school at that time. My introduction
to a paper-tape device came about 4 years later (in college) when my physics
prof and I put together a Heathkit H-11 (PDP-11/03 really) that had the
nastiest paper-tape device ever created by man. I think we could get it to
load maybe 1 time out of 20. We then got the 8 inch floppy drive functional
and I think the paper-tape device was relagated to the trash heap.
Ah, bet he's kickin' himself now! I'd easily drop $1K for one of those,
and the few that have hit the market recently have gone for more than that.
$1000.00? For this?:
http://ns1758.ca/winch/heathkit0029.jpg
It was a nightmare. lol And the box containing the 11/03 wasn't much
better. Except for the dust, our H-11 looked exactly like this one:
http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/heath11.jpg
And you haven't had joy in your life until you've put together and tried
to type on that tinker-toy Heathkit terminal (clickity-klackity). Don't
forget you can't delete characters by using backspace, you use rubout:
http://www.thepcmuseum.net/comp_images/photo_HeathkitH89_02.JPG
I "DID" like that 8" drive however as it would format floppies. ;-)
The DEC paper-tape drive on the other hand, worked like a dream. It
is probably worth the $1k+ to get it:
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~djg/htdocs/pc04/frontasmb.jpg
The 8-inch
floppy drives ran the Heath branded RT-11 V02.
Ahh, the Heath BASTARDIZED RT-11. ;)
About a year later was when our resident math guru (Name Drop) Keith Olson
moved to Montana and handed us the keys to the PDP-11/20. We actually USED
the paper-tape device on that machine (because it REALLY worked). I loved
making my assembler students load an absolute loader, EDIT-11, MARCO-11,
LINK-11 and have them paper-tape punch out ONE of their project, if for no
other reason then to show them how nice having a disk operating system was.
I still have digital copies of the DEC paper-tape software,
Neat!
but sadly after I
left the college, I was told the paper-tape was tossed in the trash and the
PDP-11's (11/20, 2 11/45's and a 11/70) were disected for the cabinets and
power distribution supplies (sad).
SUITS!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 04/20/2013 08:40 AM, Brett Bump wrote:
Oooold people. ;-) I was still in high school at that time. My introduction
to a paper-tape device came about 4 years later (in college) when my physics
prof and I put together a Heathkit H-11 (PDP-11/03 really) that had the
nastiest paper-tape device ever created by man. I think we could get it to
load maybe 1 time out of 20. We then got the 8 inch floppy drive functional
and I think the paper-tape device was relagated to the trash heap.
Ah, bet he's kickin' himself now! I'd easily drop $1K for one of those,
and the few that have hit the market recently have gone for more than that.
The 8-inch
floppy drives ran the Heath branded RT-11 V02.
Ahh, the Heath BASTARDIZED RT-11. ;)
About a year later was when our resident math guru (Name Drop) Keith Olson
moved to Montana and handed us the keys to the PDP-11/20. We actually USED
the paper-tape device on that machine (because it REALLY worked). I loved
making my assembler students load an absolute loader, EDIT-11, MARCO-11,
LINK-11 and have them paper-tape punch out ONE of their project, if for no
other reason then to show them how nice having a disk operating system was.
I still have digital copies of the DEC paper-tape software,
Neat!
but sadly after I
left the college, I was told the paper-tape was tossed in the trash and the
PDP-11's (11/20, 2 11/45's and a 11/70) were disected for the cabinets and
power distribution supplies (sad).
SUITS!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
