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Announcing DEC Legacy 2013, October 19th/20th, Marchesi Centre, Windermere

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

With Johnny's gracious permission: DEC Legacy is back! To be held on October 19th and 20th 2013 at the usual venue, The Marchesi Centre, in Windermere, Cumbria, UK. More details on the website: http://declegacy.org.uk Registration is now open, please follow the Registration tab at the top of the page. Last time the event was opened to anyone with an interest in the highlights of 20th Century computer technology - this provided an interesting mix of hardware from a variety of manufacturers. I would like to continue the event in this vein. So if you own interesting hardware, whatever the origin, we would love to see you at the event. There will hopefully be a couple keynote speakers this time as well, to be announced. Please feel free to forward this email to anyone who might have an interest. I look forward to catching up with familiar faces and making some new acquaintances. Regards, Mark.

12 years, 6 months

klh10 on FreeBSD/SPARC64 progress

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: Using klh10-2.0h with the same patch: Starting KN10 at loc 0703667... [KLH10: Illegal exec mode op, PC = 6: 0 0,0][HALTED: Exec program error? ("set cpu_exsafe=1" to continue)] Endianness issue? Nevermind, found the problem: change -O3 in CFLAGS to -O0 and all is good. root at maddy:/jails/green/home/b4/marley # ./kn10-kl twonky.ini KLH10 V2.0H (MyKL) built Jul 23 2013 09:51:19 Copyright ? 2002 Kenneth L. Harrenstien -- All Rights Reserved. This program comes "AS IS" with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. Compiled for FREEBSD on SPARC with word model USEGCCSPARC Emulated config: CPU: KL10-extend SYS: T20 Pager: KL APRID: 3600 Memory: 8192 pages of 512 words (SHARED) Time interval: INTRP Base: OSGET Interval default: 60Hz Internal clock: OSINT Other: MCA25 JPC DEBUG PCCACHE CTYINT EVHINT Devices: DTE RH20 RPXX(DP) TM03(DP) NI20(DP) [MEM: Allocating 8192 pages shared memory, clearing...done] KLH10# ; KLH10 configuration for TOPS-10 test system KLH10# KLH10# ; DTE requires ackdly to avoid T10 race condition KLH10# devdef dte0 200 dte master ackdly=5 KLH10# devdef rh0 540 rh20 KLH10# devdef rh1 544 rh20 KLH10# devdef dsk0 rh0.0 rp type=rp06 sn=4747 format=dbd9 path=T10-RP06.0-dbd9 KLH10# devdef dsk1 rh0.1 rp type=rp06 sn=1026 format=dbd9 path=T10-RP06.1-dbd9 KLH10# devdef dsk2 rh0.2 rp type=rp06 sn=3737 format=dbd9 path=T10-RP06.cust.0-dbd9 KLH10# devdef dsk3 rh0.3 rp type=rp06 sn=5858 format=dbd9 path=stag.dsk KLH10# devdef mta0 rh1.0 tm03 type=TU77 KLH10# devdef idler 740 host KLH10# KLH10# ; NI: param "c3dly" to avoid T10 race. KLH10# ; NI: param "rdtmo" to avoid system hangups with OSF/1 V3.0 KLH10# ; KLH10# ; Decnet node TWONKY, 9.429 KLH10# devdef ni0 564 ni20 dedic=1 decnet=1 doarp=0 enaddr=aa:00:04:00:a:24 ifc=qfe0 dpdelay=12 c3dly=3 rdtmo=3 KLH10# KLH10# load klboot.exe Using word format "c36"... Loaded "klboot.exe": Format: DEC-PEXE Data: 0, Symwds: 0, Low: 01000000, High: 0, Startaddress: 0703667 Entvec: 0 wds at 0 KLH10# [EOF on twonky.ini] KLH10# go Starting KN10 at loc 0703667... BOOT V4(100) BOOT>monidl [Loading from DSKB:MONIDL.EXE[1,4]] MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR 15-May-13 Why reload: test Options are: OPR PARITY POWER STATIC HARDWA NXM HALT LOOP HUNG PM CM SA NEW SCHED OTHER Type "HELP" for additional information Why reload: other;test Date: 23-JUL-2013 Time: 05:54 [dpni20: Fatal error: BIOCSETIF failed for interface "qfe0" - Device not configured] %[DTEI: 146 (old 146!)]% [DTEI: 144 (old 146!)][DTEI: 177 (old 144!)]K[DTEI: 15 (old 177!)]LNI microcode load failed on NIA20 564 Microprocessor check ^O % Bad response, try again Startup option: Options are: CHANGE DEFINE DESTRO DISSOL GO NOINIT REFRES SHOW Type "HELP" for additional information Startup option: go [Rebuilding the system search list from the HOM blocks] [Rebuilding the active swapping list from the HOM blocks] [Rebuilding the system dump list from the HOM blocks] MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR 05:54:56 CTY system 3600 Connected to Node MARLEY(0) Line CTY .LOGIN 1,2 .R OPR [CCPWFD Waiting for file daemon to start] %%TTY STOMPER - Starting OPR> 5:55:12 -- Log file DSKB:OPERAT.LOG[3,3] renamed to DSKB:OPERAT.005[3,3] -- OPR>quit ? Invalid OPR command specified: "quit" ? : "quit" OPR>exit . I will investigate further later and see if I can't get it to run in a jail...at present it segfaults upon attempting to load the monitor if run in a jail. If run outside a jail it boots fine...I still have yet to test stability. Networking is also functional: $ set host/app=rterm marley %REM-I-CONNECTION, connection made using RTERM protocol %REM-I-REMOTE, connection established to remote node MARLEY:: MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR 06:02:15 TTY4 system 3600 Connected to Node 9.13 Please LOGIN .login csmelosky Job 15 MARLEY TOPS-10 MONITOR TTY4 Password: [LGNLAS Last access to [400,400] succeeded on 25-May-13:21:03:33] 06:02 23-Jul-13 Tuesday Welcome to MARLEY. A part of the gimme-sympathy.org family. This is a simulated DECSYSTEM-10. It is configured with: 1). Ethernet (HECnet address: 9,10) 2). 4 RP06 disks (DSKB:, TSU:, USER:, DSKA:) 3). 4096K memory To request an account: email b4 at gewt.net or MAIL GEWT::b4. I will later write up a blog post or something and see if -O2 will work. Amusingly enough: idling in klh10 works, too... -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

12 years, 6 months

klh10 on FreeBSD/SPARC64 progress

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: Morning all, I've made a bit of progress...it builds now. [b4 at green ~/marley]$ uname -a FreeBSD green 9.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243836: Tue Dec 4 15:49:34 UTC 2012 root at heller.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC sparc64 [b4 at green ~/marley]$ ./kn10-kl twonky.ini KLH10 V2.0A release (MyKL) built Jul 23 2013 09:24:42 Copyright ? 2001 Kenneth L. Harrenstien -- All Rights Reserved. This program comes "AS IS" with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. Compiled for LINUX on I386 with word model USEINT Emulated config: CPU: KL10-extend SYS: T20 Pager: KL APRID: 1 Memory: 8192 pages of 512 words (SHARED) Time interval: INTRP Base: OSGET Interval default: 60Hz Internal clock: OSINT Other: MCA25 JPC DEBUG PCCACHE CTYINT EVHINT Devices: DTE RH20 RPXX(DP) TM03(DP) NI20(DP) [MEM: Allocating 8192 pages [os_mmcreate: shmget failed for 33554432 bytes - Function not implemented] private memory, clearing...done] KLH10> ; KLH10 configuration for TOPS-10 test system KLH10> KLH10> ; DTE requires ackdly to avoid T10 race condition KLH10> devdef dte0 200 dte master ackdly=5 KLH10> devdef rh0 540 rh20 KLH10> devdef rh1 544 rh20 KLH10> devdef dsk0 rh0.0 rp type=rp06 sn=4747 format=dbd9 path=T10-RP06.0-dbd9 [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] RPXX subproc init failed! Final init of device "dsk0" failed! KLH10> devdef dsk1 rh0.1 rp type=rp06 sn=1026 format=dbd9 path=T10-RP06.1-dbd9 [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] RPXX subproc init failed! Final init of device "dsk1" failed! KLH10> devdef dsk2 rh0.2 rp type=rp06 sn=3737 format=dbd9 path=T10-RP06.cust.0-dbd9 [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] RPXX subproc init failed! Final init of device "dsk2" failed! KLH10> devdef dsk3 rh0.3 rp type=rp06 sn=5858 format=dbd9 path=stag.dsk [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] RPXX subproc init failed! Final init of device "dsk3" failed! KLH10> devdef mta0 rh1.0 tm03 type=TU77 [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] TM03 subproc init failed! Final init of device "mta0" failed! KLH10> devdef idler 740 host KLH10> KLH10> ; NI: param "c3dly" to avoid T10 race. KLH10> ; NI: param "rdtmo" to avoid system hangups with OSF/1 V3.0 KLH10> ; KLH10> ; Decnet node TWONKY, 9.429 KLH10> devdef ni0 564 ni20 dedic=1 decnet=1 doarp=0 enaddr=aa:00:04:00:a:24 ifc=qfe0 dpdelay=12 c3dly=3 rdtmo=3 [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] NI20 subproc init failed! Final init of device "ni0" failed! KLH10> KLH10> load klboot.exe Using word format "c36"... Loaded "klboot.exe": Format: DEC-PEXE Data: 0, Symwds: 0, Low: 01000000, High: 0, Startaddress: 0703667 Entvec: 0 wds at 0 KLH10> [EOF on twonky.ini] KLH10> quit Are you sure you want to quit? [Confirm] Shutting down...Bye! http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-bugs/2006-September/102395… and a little bit on Jordi's blog helped me get it to build. Obviously there's still a ways to go...but this is progress.,,, Using klh10-2.0h with the same patch: Starting KN10 at loc 0703667... [KLH10: Illegal exec mode op, PC = 6: 0 0,0][HALTED: Exec program error? ("set cpu_exsafe=1" to continue)] Endianness issue? -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

12 years, 6 months

klh10 on FreeBSD/SPARC64 progress

by b4＠gewt.net

Morning all, I've made a bit of progress...it builds now. [b4 at green ~/marley]$ uname -a FreeBSD green 9.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE #0 r243836: Tue Dec 4 15:49:34 UTC 2012 root at heller.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC sparc64 [b4 at green ~/marley]$ ./kn10-kl twonky.ini KLH10 V2.0A release (MyKL) built Jul 23 2013 09:24:42 Copyright ? 2001 Kenneth L. Harrenstien -- All Rights Reserved. This program comes "AS IS" with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. Compiled for LINUX on I386 with word model USEINT Emulated config: CPU: KL10-extend SYS: T20 Pager: KL APRID: 1 Memory: 8192 pages of 512 words (SHARED) Time interval: INTRP Base: OSGET Interval default: 60Hz Internal clock: OSINT Other: MCA25 JPC DEBUG PCCACHE CTYINT EVHINT Devices: DTE RH20 RPXX(DP) TM03(DP) NI20(DP) [MEM: Allocating 8192 pages [os_mmcreate: shmget failed for 33554432 bytes - Function not implemented] private memory, clearing...done] KLH10> ; KLH10 configuration for TOPS-10 test system KLH10> KLH10> ; DTE requires ackdly to avoid T10 race condition KLH10> devdef dte0 200 dte master ackdly=5 KLH10> devdef rh0 540 rh20 KLH10> devdef rh1 544 rh20 KLH10> devdef dsk0 rh0.0 rp type=rp06 sn=4747 format=dbd9 path=T10-RP06.0-dbd9 [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] RPXX subproc init failed! Final init of device "dsk0" failed! KLH10> devdef dsk1 rh0.1 rp type=rp06 sn=1026 format=dbd9 path=T10-RP06.1-dbd9 [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] RPXX subproc init failed! Final init of device "dsk1" failed! KLH10> devdef dsk2 rh0.2 rp type=rp06 sn=3737 format=dbd9 path=T10-RP06.cust.0-dbd9 [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] RPXX subproc init failed! Final init of device "dsk2" failed! KLH10> devdef dsk3 rh0.3 rp type=rp06 sn=5858 format=dbd9 path=stag.dsk [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] RPXX subproc init failed! Final init of device "dsk3" failed! KLH10> devdef mta0 rh1.0 tm03 type=TU77 [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] TM03 subproc init failed! Final init of device "mta0" failed! KLH10> devdef idler 740 host KLH10> KLH10> ; NI: param "c3dly" to avoid T10 race. KLH10> ; NI: param "rdtmo" to avoid system hangups with OSF/1 V3.0 KLH10> ; KLH10> ; Decnet node TWONKY, 9.429 KLH10> devdef ni0 564 ni20 dedic=1 decnet=1 doarp=0 enaddr=aa:00:04:00:a:24 ifc=qfe0 dpdelay=12 c3dly=3 rdtmo=3 [dp_init: shmget failed - 78] NI20 subproc init failed! Final init of device "ni0" failed! KLH10> KLH10> load klboot.exe Using word format "c36"... Loaded "klboot.exe": Format: DEC-PEXE Data: 0, Symwds: 0, Low: 01000000, High: 0, Startaddress: 0703667 Entvec: 0 wds at 0 KLH10> [EOF on twonky.ini] KLH10> quit Are you sure you want to quit? [Confirm] Shutting down...Bye! http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-bugs/2006-September/102395… and a little bit on Jordi's blog helped me get it to build. Obviously there's still a ways to go...but this is progress.,,, -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

12 years, 6 months

MOP booting?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-07-22 19:01, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote: Someone left a device online who is trying to mop boot the whole time? I have a few days worth of logs by now... Johnny What's the MAC address? DECnet logging isn't telling me. I haven't come around to dump the raw ethernet packets to spot it, as it only tries once every eight minutes or so. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

12 years, 6 months

MOP booting?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 22 Jul 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote: Someone left a device online who is trying to mop boot the whole time? I have a few days worth of logs by now... Johnny What's the MAC address? -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

12 years, 6 months

Need help with VT220 down-line loadable characters (DECDLD)

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-07-21 22:30, Julian Wolfe wrote: On Jul 21, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: MIM::DU:[FED] I tried building 'font.c' with PDP-11 C on RSTS, and got: $ cc font.c The following messages pertain to file SY:FONT.C 81: %PDP11C-E-SYN_SYNTAXERROR, Found { when expecting one of { "auto" "char" "const" "double" "enum" "extern" "float" "int" "long" "register" "short" " signed" "static" "struct" "typedef" "union" "unsigned" "void" "volatile" " globaldef" "globalref" "globalvalue" "noshare" "readonly" "variant_struct" "variant_union" "*" "(" identifier typedef-name }. The following messages pertain to the entire compilation %PDP11C-E-SYN_FATALSYNTAX, Fatal syntax error. %PDP11C-I-OGN_NO_OBJ_PRODUCED, No object file produced Message summary: Informational 1 Warning 0 Error 2 Which C was this compiled with? I can install DECUS C if I need to, but normally I use ANSI C because it is newer (1992) and claims to be ansi compliant. Yes, this is for DECUS C... However, the code originally (very long time ago) was written for ANSI C. I hacked and changed some stuff to get it to compile under DECUS C. I think much of it should be conditionalized. However, I also use a routine or two written in MACRO-11 to do character based terminal reads without echo. Look at the code, and fix it. :-) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

12 years, 6 months

Need help with VT220 down-line loadable characters (DECDLD)

by julian＠twinax.org

On Jul 21, 2013, at 2:18 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: MIM::DU:[FED] I tried building 'font.c' with PDP-11 C on RSTS, and got: $ cc font.c The following messages pertain to file SY:FONT.C 81: %PDP11C-E-SYN_SYNTAXERROR, Found { when expecting one of { "auto" "char" "const" "double" "enum" "extern" "float" "int" "long" "register" "short" " signed" "static" "struct" "typedef" "union" "unsigned" "void" "volatile" " globaldef" "globalref" "globalvalue" "noshare" "readonly" "variant_struct" "variant_union" "*" "(" identifier typedef-name }. The following messages pertain to the entire compilation %PDP11C-E-SYN_FATALSYNTAX, Fatal syntax error. %PDP11C-I-OGN_NO_OBJ_PRODUCED, No object file produced Message summary: Informational 1 Warning 0 Error 2 Which C was this compiled with? I can install DECUS C if I need to, but normally I use ANSI C because it is newer (1992) and claims to be ansi compliant.

12 years, 6 months

KLH10 on FreeBSD/SPARC

by b4＠gewt.net

Afternoon all, Anyone gotten this to work? I got it to build on Solaris/SPARC but FreeBSD/SPARC seems to be a bit of a different beast. cc -c -g3 -O3 -I. -I../../src -DCENV_CPU_I386=1 -DCENV_SYS_FREEBSD=1 -DKLH10_CPU_KLX=1 -DKLH10_SYS_T20=1 -DKLH10_EVHS_INT=1 -DKLH10_DEV_DPNI20=1 -DKLH10_DEV_DPTM03=1 -DKLH10_DEV_DPRPXX=1 -DKLH10_MEM_SHARED=1 -DKLH10_RTIME_OSGET=1 -DKLH10_ITIME_INTRP=1 -DKLH10_CTYIO_INT=1 -DKLH10_APRID_SERIALNO=3600 -DKLH10_CLIENT=\"MyKL\" ../../src/kn10ops.c ../../src/kn10ops.c: In function 'x_ashc': ../../src/kn10ops.c:796: error: address of register variable 'd' requested ../../src/kn10ops.c:796: error: address of register variable 'd' requested ../../src/kn10ops.c:796: error: address of register variable 'd' requested ../../src/kn10ops.c:798: error: address of register variable 'd' requested ../../src/kn10ops.c:798: error: address of register variable 'd' requested ../../src/kn10ops.c:798: error: address of register variable 'd' requested ../../src/kn10ops.c: In function 'qdivstep': ../../src/kn10ops.c:3266: error: address of register variable 'qw' requested ../../src/kn10ops.c:3266: error: address of register variable 'qw' requested ../../src/kn10ops.c:3266: error: address of register variable 'qw' requested

12 years, 6 months

Need help with VT220 down-line loadable characters (DECDLD)

by tonyblews＠gmail.com

Wow this takes me back. A group of us played about with something like this twenty odd years ago while writing a Boulderdash game in ADA to play on the campus 8800. On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Julian Wolfe <julian at twinax.org> wrote: I'd be surprised if anyone on here has actually messed with this, but I thought it was worth a shot.

12 years, 6 months

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