On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
This book is hilarious, and can be copied from CHIMPY::UGH.PDF over HECnet.
I just bought a paperback copy today. Along with a hardback copy of The Cuckoo's Egg. (Said hardback copy was like $4 shipped)
sampsa
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 2 Oct 2013, at 21:11, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/02/2013 03:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Emacs has too high of a learning curve for me...with vi I prefer vim.
Emacs has an OBSCENE learning curve. But if you give it the time that
it takes, it will reward you for the rest of your life.
I full agree with that sentiment, I can use Emacs to a basic degree (I don't progam in elisp or anything) and it is a very effective editor.
Shame it doesn't come as standard on all *nix boxes, I have to revert to vi (UNIX) or nano/pico (most Linux distros)
My love of pico could be related to my love of Alpine, too.
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 03:16 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I ran it very briefly between a MicroVAX-II and a VAXstation-2000 a
long time ago, just to play with it. It was neat when I got it
working,
but then it dawned on me that it really wasn't any different from
running it over TCP/IP. ;)
Meaning it works for a few minutes and then breaks completely? ;)
Not at all. I've run X since X10R4 (yes, X *TEN* release four), and
have never seen it actually break. What are you up to? ;)
Trying to use it on a PeeCee. ;)
Oh good heavens. Life's too short, man.
I need to GET workstations first! ;)
If I used a real workstation that worked I'd have an excuse to be
productive.
Productivity is a good thing.
Now that I've run out of stuff to do, agreed.
-Dave
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On 2 Oct 2013, at 21:11, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 10/02/2013 03:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Emacs has too high of a learning curve for me...with vi I prefer vim.
Emacs has an OBSCENE learning curve. But if you give it the time that
it takes, it will reward you for the rest of your life.
I full agree with that sentiment, I can use Emacs to a basic degree (I don't progam in elisp or anything) and it is a very effective editor.
Shame it doesn't come as standard on all *nix boxes, I have to revert to vi (UNIX) or nano/pico (most Linux distros)
On 10/02/2013 03:16 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I ran it very briefly between a MicroVAX-II and a VAXstation-2000 a
long time ago, just to play with it. It was neat when I got it
working,
but then it dawned on me that it really wasn't any different from
running it over TCP/IP. ;)
Meaning it works for a few minutes and then breaks completely? ;)
Not at all. I've run X since X10R4 (yes, X *TEN* release four), and
have never seen it actually break. What are you up to? ;)
Trying to use it on a PeeCee. ;)
Oh good heavens. Life's too short, man.
If I used a real workstation that worked I'd have an excuse to be
productive.
Productivity is a good thing.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 03:11 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I ran it very briefly between a MicroVAX-II and a VAXstation-2000 a
long time ago, just to play with it. It was neat when I got it working,
but then it dawned on me that it really wasn't any different from
running it over TCP/IP. ;)
Meaning it works for a few minutes and then breaks completely? ;)
Not at all. I've run X since X10R4 (yes, X *TEN* release four), and
have never seen it actually break. What are you up to? ;)
Trying to use it on a PeeCee. ;)
If I used a real workstation that worked I'd have an excuse to be productive.
-Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 03:03 PM, Clem Cole wrote:
EDT is pure heaven.
Dave this comment made me laugh.
I'm an emacs guy; I live in emacs most every day. I remember the
first time I tried the EDT emulation mode. It seemed so very right and
yet so very wrong, at the same time. :-)
Ahhh Emacs! A very extensible OS that has a good text editor now. ;) Shame it has to run second-level under another OS most of the time. ;)
In the end its all about choice and what makes you comfortable.
Of course. As long as it's emacs! B-)
I'm
jaded enough to realize that all the editors from those times are
similar and all can do cool things when they ran on "glass ttys" - it's
just what you learned and have burned into the ROMs in your fingers AND
how well the editor is integrated into the native system. I learned
IBM/TSS on a ASR 33 with a line editor, I bet it you tossed that too me
now I would scream. If I had a 10 again, I wonder what I would use,
as I know at this stage, I've forgotten teco. For VMS I think these
days I would just use vi and be done with it. There is something to be
said for an editor that just works.
That said, the folks that wrote vim changed it just slightly from vi
[they "fixed it" of course] and when I try editing on a my Mac or a
Linux box it sometimes drives me nuts as I can not reprogram those
fingers at my age.
I'm right there with you. Emacs since v18. Good stuff. But my
fingers still remember and adore EDT whenever I'm on a PDP-11 or a VAX.
Or a PDP-10 once you get a MASSBUS drive and let me at your -10s
-Dave
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EDT (DEC VMS editor)
Turn on EDT emulation with M-x edt-emulation-on; restore normal command bindings with M-x edt-emulation-off.
But what was interesting to me to watch over time the ex-VMS folks take one of three directions even with the having "Emacs-EDT" available:
1.) switch to a native emacs 'cause they found it more powerful than EDT (i.e. learn now emacs could be "bound" to UNIX and discovered they liked it).
2.) switch to vi because it ran on everything (from a PC to Cray and in between inc VAX/VMS) which in those days emacs did not [this is what I did and never looked back]
3.) a one guy refused it all and spent a couple of weeks writing a teco clone (which you can still download from his web site). I used to think that was pretty close to the original for those us that learned teco on the PDP-10's years ago - but by that time, I was fully vi literate so why both going back.
Just tried that in Aquamacs (COCOA port of Emacs) and the feature is still included.
wooo, OS X EDT!
http://sampsa.com/emacsedt.png
On 10/02/2013 03:11 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I ran it very briefly between a MicroVAX-II and a VAXstation-2000 a
long time ago, just to play with it. It was neat when I got it working,
but then it dawned on me that it really wasn't any different from
running it over TCP/IP. ;)
Meaning it works for a few minutes and then breaks completely? ;)
Not at all. I've run X since X10R4 (yes, X *TEN* release four), and
have never seen it actually break. What are you up to? ;)
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
