On 10/02/2013 06:09 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
There is MicroEMACS, which is really easy to port around (I have it
running on RSX).
I used MicroEMACS when I did a lot of DOS development in the 1980s. I
also ran it for awhile (until I got GNU Emacs built) on a 3B1.
Then I ran across an amazingly nice emacs implementation called
"Freemacs". It's DOS-only, written in assembler, but like GNU Emacs, it
is just an editor core plus primitives, with higher-level functions
written in an interpreted language. Freemacs' language is called
"Mint", and it's sorta Lisp-like, but not really Lisp. (one could say
that GNU Emacs' elisp isn't really Lisp either, but..)
If you do anything DOS-related at all, and are an emacs person, I
recommend Freemacs wholeheartedly. It really is very, very nice.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2013-10-03 00:31, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 06:05 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Otherwise, if you have a spare SCSI disk, you could dump the
installation
image onto it (e.g. with dd) and use it as if it were a CD-ROM.
I hae a spare SCSI disk...but no way to write the image to scsi disk
other than VMS. The current VMS install albeit touchy would work for
that.
You don't have a random Linux box there with a SCSI interface?
What about the Netra T1-105? That'd do it.
It doesn't have the correct SCSI interface...I don't have any adapters
to toss in SCA drives.
Ahh, screwed by The Connector Conspiracy. :-(
-Dave
Yup. Same damn protocol, different interfaces.
That is what adapters are made for...
Johnny
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On 10/02/2013 06:37 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Yet I have a drive that shows up as /7/ different 1.05G disks. With a
different device number assigned to each. Along with my 2G drive
showing up as 600M
That can happen if the drive is set to the same SCSI ID as the
initiator (controller).
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
yOn Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 06:05 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Otherwise, if you have a spare SCSI disk, you could dump the
installation
image onto it (e.g. with dd) and use it as if it were a CD-ROM.
I hae a spare SCSI disk...but no way to write the image to scsi disk
other than VMS. The current VMS install albeit touchy would work for
that.
You don't have a random Linux box there with a SCSI interface?
What about the Netra T1-105? That'd do it.
It doesn't have the correct SCSI interface...I don't have any adapters
to toss in SCA drives.
Ahh, screwed by The Connector Conspiracy. :-(
-Dave
Yup. Same damn protocol, different interfaces.
Yet I have a drive that shows up as /7/ different 1.05G disks. With a different device number assigned to each. Along with my 2G drive showing up as 600M
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 10/02/2013 06:05 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Otherwise, if you have a spare SCSI disk, you could dump the
installation
image onto it (e.g. with dd) and use it as if it were a CD-ROM.
I hae a spare SCSI disk...but no way to write the image to scsi disk
other than VMS. The current VMS install albeit touchy would work for
that.
You don't have a random Linux box there with a SCSI interface?
What about the Netra T1-105? That'd do it.
It doesn't have the correct SCSI interface...I don't have any adapters
to toss in SCA drives.
Ahh, screwed by The Connector Conspiracy. :-(
-Dave
Yup. Same damn protocol, different interfaces.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 2013-10-03 00:09, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-10-02 23:29, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Depends...
Issue a "SHOW DEVICE" at the dead sargent and post the output.
Well...this could explain a bit: I was burning at 24x and throwing
those
discs at a 12x drive.
:rolleyes:
That generally has no correlation whatsoever. What's important is
whether
or not the CD-rom can read the recordable media you're using. Some
record-
able media works better than other in older CD-rom drives.
Hey, I haven't touched CD-ROM stuff in awhile! ;)
You need a refresher...
BTW, the drive you have installed, is it jumpered for 512 byte
blocks???
I'm not even seeing a jumper for it on the drive. Drive is a crippled
Apple CR-507-C (Hey! It's the only working SCSI CD-ROM drive I have!)
I wouldn't be surprised if your problem turns out to be related to the
block size. DEC machines wants disks (including CD) to have 512 byte
blocks. A majority of CD drives do 2048 byte blocks. Not compatible.
Johnny
I think I have several 512-byte sector drives! None of them SCSI...
The drive burning the images is 2048-byte...that'd explain the problem.
No. The writing is fine. You can write the data on any drive...
You need to read it on a drive that do 512 byte blocks.
Johnny
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Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On Oct 2, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
I think I have several 512-byte sector drives! None of them SCSI...
The drive burning the images is 2048-byte...that'd explain the problem.
I don't think this is a problem. I've burned many VMS images on my Mac and booted my VAXen from them.
Ian
On 10/02/2013 06:05 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Otherwise, if you have a spare SCSI disk, you could dump the
installation
image onto it (e.g. with dd) and use it as if it were a CD-ROM.
I hae a spare SCSI disk...but no way to write the image to scsi disk
other than VMS. The current VMS install albeit touchy would work for
that.
You don't have a random Linux box there with a SCSI interface?
What about the Netra T1-105? That'd do it.
It doesn't have the correct SCSI interface...I don't have any adapters
to toss in SCA drives.
Ahh, screwed by The Connector Conspiracy. :-(
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-10-02 23:29, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Wed, 2 Oct 2013, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Depends...
Issue a "SHOW DEVICE" at the dead sargent and post the output.
Well...this could explain a bit: I was burning at 24x and throwing those
discs at a 12x drive.
:rolleyes:
That generally has no correlation whatsoever. What's important is
whether
or not the CD-rom can read the recordable media you're using. Some
record-
able media works better than other in older CD-rom drives.
Hey, I haven't touched CD-ROM stuff in awhile! ;)
You need a refresher...
BTW, the drive you have installed, is it jumpered for 512 byte blocks???
I'm not even seeing a jumper for it on the drive. Drive is a crippled
Apple CR-507-C (Hey! It's the only working SCSI CD-ROM drive I have!)
I wouldn't be surprised if your problem turns out to be related to the block size. DEC machines wants disks (including CD) to have 512 byte blocks. A majority of CD drives do 2048 byte blocks. Not compatible.
Johnny
I think I have several 512-byte sector drives! None of them SCSI...
The drive burning the images is 2048-byte...that'd explain the problem.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 2013-10-02 23:59, Clem Cole wrote:
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com
<mailto:mcguire at neurotica.com>> wrote:
Emacs builds on most everything, and is packaged for most (all?) Linux
distributions.
Dave -- might want to tighten comment that a little. GNU-emacs builds
on most anything with a 32 bit linear address space or greater. Other
emacs implementations YMMV.
In addition, a port of Emacs is actually not that trivial.
Anyone familiar with TOPS-20 (or OS/8, or probably some other of DEC OSes) will probably recognize what I'm going to write next.
Emacs "knows" how an executable looks like, and how the memory layout is of the running program, and how dynamic libraries work, and so on. Because, as a part of building emacs, emacs will start bare bone, read in all kind of initial lisp packages, compile stuff, and create a finalized emacs in memory that is running with all the bit and pieces of initialization code already run. At that point, emacs will do a memory dump to disk, and munge that file to be an executable. And that is the actual emacs binary.
For any new system, and especially for any new binary image format, emacs needs to be taught all about it.
But anyway, if the scope would be "emacs" and not "GNU emacs", then implementations exists for just about everything. I've written a small emacs-clone in TECO-8, there exists multiple Emacs clones for MS-DOS (maybe the best known is Epsilon). Stacken (the computer club at the Royal Institute of Technology) wrote an emacs clone called AMIS, which ran on VMS way back, as well as on Tops-10, RSTS/E, Norsk Data machines, and god knows what else.
There is MicroEMACS, which is really easy to port around (I have it running on RSX).
2BSD have JOVE.
I'm sure people can easily come up with other implementations...
Johnny
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Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
