On 08/10/2013 14:54, Sampsa Laine wrote:
But some UNIX getty's DO speak Hayes AT so it's not that far-fetched an idea..
So, how do the Unix getty know that there is a hayes modem on the serial line, and not a terminal?
Config files and/or command line options - some of them even know how to pass FAXES along to a fax receiving program.
Not saying this should be in VMS, just that it has existed in the real world for a long time.
I have a couple of scripts which I think came from DECUS originally and there is definitely an FAQ on the subject.
I can share these for anyone who is interested (easy enough to put in the archive on SLAVE). You can guarantee you will need to do some tweaking however!
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Hi all,
For those interested in Sixels, I ported the code (quick and dirty)
from ftp://ftp.cs.utk.edu/pub/shuford/terminal/all_about_sixels.txt
to Javascript and combined it with Flot and a JQuery terminal:
http://rullf2.xs4all.nl/sg/sg.html
You then get a Javascript terminal, with a display function; some examples:
js> example$
js> display(example$)
js> display(Array(5).join('CA at ACGOG'))
js> display('HECNET')
and
js> display(digital$)
Considering the run time to display the latter image, photos should
perhaps not be too detailed...
Erik
PS: For now, palette[0] is used to set the background color.
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 02:55:19PM +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 14:52, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
The second part of this is actually making the files visible in the specific library. For this users need write access to the directory (and possibly extend access). In order to find the files, you need read access. For removing files from a directory, you need write access to the directory.
So obviously, you either allow both entering and removing, or neither.
That's what I ended up doing, I trust there aren't too many griefers on HECnet that'll go and delete random files.
But seriously, if you find something cool or want to post an image of yourself, send it to CHIMPY:[.DROPBOX]. I've got a few alpha EXEs up there and a couple of pics of myself in SIXEL and JPEG formats..
sampsa
But some UNIX getty's DO speak Hayes AT so it's not that far-fetched an idea..
So, how do the Unix getty know that there is a hayes modem on the serial line, and not a terminal?
Config files and/or command line options - some of them even know how to pass FAXES along to a fax receiving program.
Not saying this should be in VMS, just that it has existed in the real world for a long time.
On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 15:17:21 +0200, Sampsa Laine wrote:
As far as I know VMS doesn't really speak Hayes AT.
The only example of VMS speaking Hayes I know of is when using SET HOST/DTE
with something like a /MODEM=xxx qualifier and the corresponding user-provided
DTE_xxx.EXE in SYS$LIBRARY. See SYS$EXAMPLES:DTE* for more information. :)
OpenVMS VAX V7.2 has a couple DTE_*.MAR sample files, while OpenVMS Alpha V8.3
has a nice DTE_AT.C dialer. Maybe other versions have others and if I'm not
wrong there should be something quite useful in the DECUS libraries too...
HTH, :)
G.
Would you expect VMS to spew out hayes commands when you connect a
terminal?
Actually the VMS dialer interface is well documented (isn't all of VMS
like that??) and long, long ago I wrote a dialer for Hayes modems. It lets
you use the SET HOST/DTE/DIAL=... command with Hayes compatible modems.
If you really need it I could probably find a copy.
Bob
On 2013-10-08 15:27, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Would you expect VMS to spew out hayes commands when you connect a terminal?
Also, it wouldn't have to do it on EVERY port, something like SET TERM/HAYES TTA0: would enable Hayes phone answering on that port only.
That could definitely be done, except I wouldn't expect any answering as such done in any other way than auto-answering. It would be a bit silly to perform the answering manually, even though you could in theory do it.
Also, even though the Hayes command set is sortof standard, there are slight variations, which makes it rather tricky to do something generic.
Johnny
On 2013-10-08 15:25, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Uh... Why would it? There is no difference between a modem and a terminal here. They both come in to the machine over a serial line, and then VMS expects you to log in.
Yes, the modem should be set up correctly, and then it's just a piece of equipment in the communication path, which is totally transparent.
The wiggling of the DCD is how a modem (or terminal) tell the computer that it is connected.
Would you expect VMS to spew out hayes commands when you connect a terminal?
No, this is why I advice to set the modem up with sane defaults before hooking it up :)
But some UNIX getty's DO speak Hayes AT so it's not that far-fetched an idea..
So, how do the Unix getty know that there is a hayes modem on the serial line, and not a terminal?
Johnny
Would you expect VMS to spew out hayes commands when you connect a terminal?
Also, it wouldn't have to do it on EVERY port, something like SET TERM/HAYES TTA0: would enable Hayes phone answering on that port only.
Uh... Why would it? There is no difference between a modem and a terminal here. They both come in to the machine over a serial line, and then VMS expects you to log in.
Yes, the modem should be set up correctly, and then it's just a piece of equipment in the communication path, which is totally transparent.
The wiggling of the DCD is how a modem (or terminal) tell the computer that it is connected.
Would you expect VMS to spew out hayes commands when you connect a terminal?
No, this is why I advice to set the modem up with sane defaults before hooking it up :)
But some UNIX getty's DO speak Hayes AT so it's not that far-fetched an idea..
sampsa
On 2013-10-08 15:17, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Yeah, I'd hook up a terminal first, set ATS0=1 (autoanswer) and then store the defaults in the modem's NVRAM. That way the modem just raises the DCD line when a connection has been made.
As far as I know VMS doesn't really speak Hayes AT.
Uh... Why would it? There is no difference between a modem and a terminal here. They both come in to the machine over a serial line, and then VMS expects you to log in.
Yes, the modem should be set up correctly, and then it's just a piece of equipment in the communication path, which is totally transparent.
The wiggling of the DCD is how a modem (or terminal) tell the computer that it is connected.
Would you expect VMS to spew out hayes commands when you connect a terminal?
Johnny
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On 8 Oct 2013, at 15:10, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
I have a brand new US Robotics HST and Telebit Trailblazer I saved from the day. If I wack one on the serial point of a VAX can it take calls? :)
Sent from my iPhone
On 8 Oct 2013, at 8:35 pm, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, that's the way to go. I'm tempted to buy an ancient Nokia GSM phone, get a data number for it and a serial adapter, and plug it into my DS300..9600 bps dial up access, woo hoo!
I kinda still enjoy dial up... are there any active modems on 'the net'? Sampsa, you and I tried this once, a long time back... not sure if we ever connected, but I didn't have POTS at the time...
