Yeah, that's the way to go. I'm tempted to buy an ancient Nokia GSM phone, get a data number for it and a serial adapter, and plug it into my DS300..9600 bps dial up access, woo hoo!
Hmm, looks like the Nokia 9210 can combine several GSM channels for thruput up to 38400 bps with the right configuration and it's effectively an ISDN connection (V.110). I think I need to acquire one of these, data line subscriptions are cheap in Finland and the phone costs about 50 GBP...
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
Oh.. I thought that somehow LAT was routable over DECnet. I thought I remember in the old days some remote sites just had a terminal server and a couple of terminals. Many beers ago.
You could, using bridging (which needs to be enabled at both ends of the link). Although, that is just yuck. I remember some absolutely horrendous examples of bridging in the old days.
So, I could go from the DECserver to my local vax, and then bounce out?
That's it.
Regards, Tim.
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:44, Daniel Soderstrom <snaggs at mac.com> wrote:
Oh.. I thought that somehow LAT was routable over DECnet. I thought I remember in the old days some remote sites just had a terminal server and a couple of terminals. Many beers ago.
Maybe because BQT's bridge does LAT in addition to DECNET frames..
So, I could go from the DECserver to my local vax, and then bounce out?
Daniel.
Yeah, that's the way to go. I'm tempted to buy an ancient Nokia GSM phone, get a data number for it and a serial adapter, and plug it into my DS300..9600 bps dial up access, woo hoo!
Oh.. I thought that somehow LAT was routable over DECnet. I thought I remember in the old days some remote sites just had a terminal server and a couple of terminals. Many beers ago.
So, I could go from the DECserver to my local vax, and then bounce out?
Daniel.
On 08/10/2013, at 10:27 AM, Tim Sneddon <tim at sneddon.id.au> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:19, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
>
>> SET HOST EISNER straight from a DECServer will be nice.
>>
>
> A DECserver speaking DECnet? That'd be awesome to have. Mine (albeit awesome, and one of my favourite things) only speaks LAT. ;)
>
My DS300 does inbound Telnet as well as inbound/outbound LAT and serial :)
No DECNET as far as I know.
I don't recall a DECserver that talks DECnet. It is the wrong protocol for that type of communication. DECservers originally only spoke LAT, which was developed specifically for local area communications (which it does very well).
Regards, Tim.
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:35, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
You can set RWE for world set on the directory by default, but have a script periodically set all files to w:RE only. There's probably a better way to do it, though.
OK, I've set it up.
The HECnet "intranet" read/write repository can be found on CHIMPY::[.DROPBOX].
Feel free to copy anything there that you think might be of interest to other HECnetters.
sampsa
As the files are periodically not secured as W:RE, please guys, try to behave :)
Tragedy of the Commons and all that. If this service leads to abuse and/or
fighting about its use I'll just take it down :)
Sampsa
Just a suggestion. Why not have TWO directories?
(a) WRITE ONLY - anyone can send files to it - normally named: INCOMING
(b) READ ONLY - anyone can read any file
Just in case, you can (probably should) monitor
what is added to (a), then copy it over to (b)
ONLY after it is checked. Having (a) which
only you can look at (you might allow the contents
to be displayed, but I would not recommend it)
provides much better security. I also suggest that
for any file larger that 10 MB, an MD5 checksum
also be sent so you can verify the large file was
sent correctly.
I thought of doing this, but it requires manual intervention, delays etc. so I decided to go with the on directory approach, with the expectation that people on HECnet are reasonably responsible.
If there is a huge amount of abuse / corrupted files I'll rethink the strategy.
Thanks for the tip though.
You can set RWE for world set on the directory by default, but have a script periodically set all files to w:RE only. There's probably a better way to do it, though.
OK, I've set it up.
The HECnet "intranet" read/write repository can be found on CHIMPY::[.DROPBOX].
Feel free to copy anything there that you think might be of interest to other HECnetters.
sampsa
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 01:52, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Do we have an intranet site only accessible via DECnet? I dont put any (much) personal information on the net.
Daniel.
That's what I'm trying to do with the "Dropbox" on CHIMPY:: - anyone can add or view files, but not delete or edit them. Just not sure what the correct security setting for the directory should be...
Is this type of security option on a dir possible? I can't figure out how to set it up, but somebody amongst you gurus must know :)
You can set RWE for world set on the directory by default, but have a script periodically set all files to w:RE only. There's probably a better way to do it, though.
That sounds pretty, well, yuck.
Not that I have given it much thought you would likely be able to achieve this sort of environment using ACLs. I recommend checking out the VMS security manual.
Regards, Tim.
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:19, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
>
>> SET HOST EISNER straight from a DECServer will be nice.
>>
>
> A DECserver speaking DECnet? That'd be awesome to have. Mine (albeit awesome, and one of my favourite things) only speaks LAT. ;)
>
My DS300 does inbound Telnet as well as inbound/outbound LAT and serial :)
No DECNET as far as I know.
I don't recall a DECserver that talks DECnet. It is the wrong protocol for that type of communication. DECservers originally only spoke LAT, which was developed specifically for local area communications (which it does very well).
Regards, Tim.
On 8 Oct 2013, at 04:19, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
SET HOST EISNER straight from a DECServer will be nice.
A DECserver speaking DECnet? That'd be awesome to have. Mine (albeit awesome, and one of my favourite things) only speaks LAT. ;)
My DS300 does inbound Telnet as well as inbound/outbound LAT and serial :)
No DECNET as far as I know.
Sampsa
