On 01/16/2014 04:38 AM, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
I'd love a daisy wheel! Are there any which will hook up to a vax
4000? Though I remember collecting my printouts from the sysop in 1st
year 1991 and you could hear the line printers grinding away. Need
230 (ish) volts too.
Many (most?) daisy-wheel printers will easily interface to VAXen of
most any model. Most have serial interfaces.
I've never seen nor heard of one that *requires* 230V, BTW.
Basically size doesnt matter, as I will have to pay for a pallet,
regardless of whats on it.
There were once so many DEC LQP02 daisy-wheel printers floating around
that people were dumpstering them by the dozen. I personally gave away
about fifteen of them. They were great printers, but laser printers
really killed the daisy-wheel market. The LQP02 is a re-badged Juki
6100, which is an excellent design.
I have a Tandy-branded daisy-wheel printer that I'd give you, but I'm
none too keen on packing and shipping it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> writes:
Hello!
Before we completely beat Multinet down with cudgels and assorted
sharp things, I have a question or two:
For one thing, Eisner is who? (What specialty does this machine do?)
And for another how did the machine in question get named?
Eisner is the DECUSserve system originally sanctioned by DECUS many years
ago. DECUSserve has been many different architectures over the years but
it is now an Alpha running OpenVMS.
Eisner refers to the late Dan Eisner who was instrumental in developing
the DECUSserve concept/system.
I can cite complex examples behind why my machines get their names,
its almost a definite cause to change the subject.
Star Wars? Star Trek? Dr. Who? Dr. Seuss?? :)
Once those are answered we can go back to beating that protocol model
with those things.
16lbs slegdehammer coming your way. Pound it down.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Best DEC story every. You win HECnet.
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 16 Jan 2014, at 18:44, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/16/2014 01:42 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
It *almost* makes me want to get the missus to drape herself over an
Alphaserver, or such like... ;)
We may be skirting the edge here, but I've Done The Deed atop a VAX-8700.
It's now Sridhar's machine, but it was thoroughly cleaned. =)
Oh yes, I should note the other DEC tie-in: The other, erm,
"participant" was the daughter of a fairly early former DEC hardware
designer; he did (amongst other things) the KMC11, if memory serves.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out Paul's python one.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
management system. Let me know.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
<mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
<http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Damned sorry I turned my future wife down for a similar thing back at Pyramid... I was sure someone would walk past the computer room's big glass windows when I worked there.
Would've been something to remember.
Good old days... but someone was always working late or on weekends... Field service always came in for parts or someone from training would be in to prep a machine up.
(which was the main reason I was there then...)
I don't think on top of the MIServer was possible without a step stool or ladder to get up there though and the MIS2 box was low enough but too damned small.
Bill
--
d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now!
pechter-at-gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/16/2014 10:01 AM, Mark Wickens wrote:
> It *almost* makes me want to get the missus to drape herself over an
> Alphaserver, or such like... ;)
We may be skirting the edge here, but I've Done The Deed atop a VAX-8700.
It's now Sridhar's machine, but it was thoroughly cleaned. =)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/16/2014 01:42 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
It *almost* makes me want to get the missus to drape herself over an
Alphaserver, or such like... ;)
We may be skirting the edge here, but I've Done The Deed atop a VAX-8700.
It's now Sridhar's machine, but it was thoroughly cleaned. =)
Oh yes, I should note the other DEC tie-in: The other, erm,
"participant" was the daughter of a fairly early former DEC hardware
designer; he did (amongst other things) the KMC11, if memory serves.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/16/2014 10:01 AM, Mark Wickens wrote:
It *almost* makes me want to get the missus to drape herself over an
Alphaserver, or such like... ;)
We may be skirting the edge here, but I've Done The Deed atop a VAX-8700.
It's now Sridhar's machine, but it was thoroughly cleaned. =)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
management system. Let me know.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
Thanks in advance,
Mark
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
<mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
<http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/16/2014 12:18 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Don't have a Cisco, so I can't comment on that.
They Just Work.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2014-01-16 09:18, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Multinet is horribly unreliable because it is based
on a fundamentally defective protocol design.
Really ? I've been using it for years and haven't noticed this.
Multinet tunnels work just fine most of the time, but Paul is right in that they do abuse things.
The HECnet bridge, OTOH, crashes regularly. It doesn't seem to recover
gracefully from network hiccups.
Huh? Since it's totally stateless that is weird. Let me know if you actually want me to look at it. Also, I've never had it crash, but the code is far from pretty, and depending on compiler and environment, I can believe that there are subtle bugs to be found.
Don't have a Cisco, so I can't comment on that.
:-)
Johnny
