I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
-Dave
On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
<mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
<mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
<http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to join it.
On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if they want to peer is another story.
Johnny
On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection and is
already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
Thanks,
Mark
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote:
On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com> wrote:
I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all, that's only for the
X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com, though I may run a local node
additionally).
For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned Johnny-bridge. :)
I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
paul
On 2014-01-15 22:29, John Wilson wrote:
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:52:08 -0500
The DHV11 has a pair of 8051s on it. The DH11 is several boards full
of logic. It has buffering and DMA capability to offload the host
system...it needs much less hand-holding than the DZ11.
For *output*. They're all basically identical for input, and that's where
you'd actually need help (since you could lose data -- on output you just
might get behind). Offloading input processing would need the mux to be
close personal friends with the TTY driver in each OS, so I see why it
didn't happen, but it would have been *much* more useful.
I partly beg to disagree. Any normal usage would typically see at least ten times as much output as input. Input essentially means a user hammering away at a keyboard.
Offloading output makes a *huge* difference.
But sure, if you could offload input as well, noone would complain. But yes, that has a lot of additional headaches, since OSes tends to want to handle some characters special...
Johnny
Hello!
We are drifting very far afield now with this one. Originally the
poster was complaining about being able to find proper printer for
himself......
-----
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 1:36 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/16/2014 01:30 AM, John Wilson wrote:
At the VCF showing where we met, you had a neighbor, who ran a
Straight 8 system. Next to it was a printer with attached keyboard (or
without it, I can't recall), and a Model 33 teletype with a coil of
paper tape attached to it. What would have been its DEC branded
printer?
The LT33. Um, which is an ASR33 -- not even rebadged (they just added
an additional DEC sticker to the back IIRC).
There's also the reader-run modification..
Was that an actual feature added...or just another sticker? ;)
-Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/16/2014 01:30 AM, John Wilson wrote:
At the VCF showing where we met, you had a neighbor, who ran a
Straight 8 system. Next to it was a printer with attached keyboard (or
without it, I can't recall), and a Model 33 teletype with a coil of
paper tape attached to it. What would have been its DEC branded
printer?
The LT33. Um, which is an ASR33 -- not even rebadged (they just added
an additional DEC sticker to the back IIRC).
There's also the reader-run modification..
Was that an actual feature added...or just another sticker? ;)
-Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 01/16/2014 01:30 AM, John Wilson wrote:
At the VCF showing where we met, you had a neighbor, who ran a
Straight 8 system. Next to it was a printer with attached keyboard (or
without it, I can't recall), and a Model 33 teletype with a coil of
paper tape attached to it. What would have been its DEC branded
printer?
The LT33. Um, which is an ASR33 -- not even rebadged (they just added
an additional DEC sticker to the back IIRC).
There's also the reader-run modification..
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
From: Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com>
At the VCF showing where we met, you had a neighbor, who ran a
Straight 8 system. Next to it was a printer with attached keyboard (or
without it, I can't recall), and a Model 33 teletype with a coil of
paper tape attached to it. What would have been its DEC branded
printer?
The LT33. Um, which is an ASR33 -- not even rebadged (they just added
an additional DEC sticker to the back IIRC).
John Wilson
D Bit
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:52:08 -0500
The DHV11 has a pair of 8051s on it. The DH11 is several boards full
of logic. It has buffering and DMA capability to offload the host
system...it needs much less hand-holding than the DZ11.
For *output*. They're all basically identical for input, and that's where
you'd actually need help (since you could lose data -- on output you just
might get behind). Offloading input processing would need the mux to be
close personal friends with the TTY driver in each OS, so I see why it
didn't happen, but it would have been *much* more useful.
John Wilson
D Bit
From: <Paul_Koning at Dell.com>
The first device called DECwriter was the LA30, an amazing piece of junk
known to jam every few pages. It also came with a really bad keyboard.
Was it uppercase only?
Yes. I still have mine (LA30P -- no fill characters, but it needs a weird
LC8E interface, and did the LC11 exist too?). The jamming wasn't as annoying
as the fact that it could *only* take 9 7/8" wide paper (tractors were not
adjustable). And the timing was very finicky and didn't seem to use feedback
of any kind (so it had no idea when it printed entire characters as one column
of dots after the head had already finished stepping). But I was still super
impressed that it was so close to useful considering the ancient tech -- it
had a swing-out card-cage full of flip-chips instead of any real brain.
Unspeakably heavy though.
Next came the LA36, which was something entirely different. Rock solid, and
it didn t need fill after carriage return. Upper and lower case, of course.
Still too damn heavy! But yes much better.
The LA120, if I remember right, was the first DEC printing terminal to do
bidirectional printing.
Kick-ass printers (I have two).
The LA180 receive-only printer was, I think, a derivative of the LA36, not
the LA120.
This reminds me of something else but I can't believe I'm drawing a blank on
the name of the company -- who was it that sold a replacement controller
(might have been called something like DS120 or DS180) that turned an LA36
into something faster than an LA120?
John Wilson
D Bit
On 01/15/2014 08:09 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
At the VCF showing where we met, you had a neighbor, who ran a
Straight 8 system.
Yes, Dave Gesswein. Beautiful system. That machine is the in the top
"holy grail" spot of my world.
Next to it was a printer with attached keyboard (or
without it, I can't recall), and a Model 33 teletype with a coil of
paper tape attached to it. What would have been its DEC branded
printer?
There wasn't one at the time, I believe. ASR33s were very common on
PDP-8 systems.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
