I have not written anything specifically to make it a GRE endpoint (if that is the right term). It can work as a direct replacement for the bridge in that it can talk the same protocols. In other words on a LAN it implements the DECnet Ethernet interface, and it also accepts the UDP packet format processed by the bridge. The difference being of course that it does not bridge the networks, instead it routes between your local Ethernet(s) and the "Ethernet" that comes in over the UDP interface.
I hope that explains it.
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 21:16, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
Does that work with GRE on Linux? I never got GRE with not IP to work on FreeBSD due to strangeness with bpf.
Paul's python router talks GRE natively. Not sure how well tested that is though as I never got it setup before the colo box getting shut off.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 15:35, Jarratt RMA <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
I wrote a user mode one that runs on Linux, although my primary development platform is Windows and I have not checked Linux compatibility lately. You can find it on http://route20.codeplex.com/
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 18:53, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out Paul's python one.
-brian
> On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
>
> I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
> like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
> management system. Let me know.
>
> -Dave
>
>> On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>> Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
>> cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
>> HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
>> running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
>> is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
>> tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
>> they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
>> hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
>> GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
>>> If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
>>> stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
>>> automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>> On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>> Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
>>>> join it.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
>>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
>>>> they want to peer is another story.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
>>>> soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
>>>> and is
>>>> already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
>>>> <mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
>>>> <mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
>>>> that's only for the
>>>> X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
>>>> <http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
>>>> additionally).
>>>> For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
>>>> Johnny-bridge. :)
>>>> I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> paul
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>> New Kensington, PA
>
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
Does that work with GRE on Linux? I never got GRE with not IP to work on FreeBSD due to strangeness with bpf.
Paul's python router talks GRE natively. Not sure how well tested that is though as I never got it setup before the colo box getting shut off.
-brian
On Jan 16, 2014, at 15:35, Jarratt RMA <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
I wrote a user mode one that runs on Linux, although my primary development platform is Windows and I have not checked Linux compatibility lately. You can find it on http://route20.codeplex.com/
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 18:53, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out Paul's python one.
-brian
> On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
>
> I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
> like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
> management system. Let me know.
>
> -Dave
>
>> On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>> Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
>> cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
>> HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
>> running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
>> is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
>> tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
>> they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
>> hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
>> GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
>>> If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
>>> stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
>>> automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>> On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>> Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
>>>> join it.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
>>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
>>>> they want to peer is another story.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
>>>> soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
>>>> and is
>>>> already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
>>>> <mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
>>>> <mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
>>>> that's only for the
>>>> X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
>>>> <http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
>>>> additionally).
>>>> For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
>>>> Johnny-bridge. :)
>>>> I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> paul
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>> New Kensington, PA
>
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Okay.
As for naming of names, yes to Star Wars, and Star Trek, and Dr Who,
but not to the guy who taught us to read.
Right now we can resume our argument.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
<system at tmesis.com> wrote:
Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> writes:
Hello!
Before we completely beat Multinet down with cudgels and assorted
sharp things, I have a question or two:
For one thing, Eisner is who? (What specialty does this machine do?)
And for another how did the machine in question get named?
Eisner is the DECUSserve system originally sanctioned by DECUS many years
ago. DECUSserve has been many different architectures over the years but
it is now an Alpha running OpenVMS.
Eisner refers to the late Dan Eisner who was instrumental in developing
the DECUSserve concept/system.
I can cite complex examples behind why my machines get their names,
its almost a definite cause to change the subject.
Star Wars? Star Trek? Dr. Who? Dr. Seuss?? :)
Once those are answered we can go back to beating that protocol model
with those things.
16lbs slegdehammer coming your way. Pound it down.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
I wrote a user mode one that runs on Linux, although my primary development platform is Windows and I have not checked Linux compatibility lately. You can find it on http://route20.codeplex.com/
Regards
Rob
On 16 January 2014 18:53, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
A GRE tunnel won't do much good if he can't route DECnet packets over it.
Is there a reasonable Linux DECnet router? If not, you may want to try out Paul's python one.
-brian
> On Jan 16, 2014, at 13:40, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>
>
> Oh ok. I'm sorry, I misunderstood.
>
> I can set up a temporary GRE tunnel with you this afternoon if you
> like, until we can get you folded into Brian's tunnel configuration
> management system. Let me know.
>
> -Dave
>
>> On 01/16/2014 11:51 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>> Sorry if it wasn't clear... Two different threads had a little
>> cross-posting I think. Here I'm just trying to establish a solid
>> HECnet peer. Johnny-bridge would have been preferable since I'm
>> running this on my NAS (and I know 'bridge' works), but if a GRE peer
>> is easier to find, by all means. While my QNAP NAS does have several
>> tunneling options in its stock config (it's linux arm), it appears
>> they did not include the ip_gre module, so I'll have to see about
>> hacking that in. Assuming that goes well, who's solidly offering the
>> GRE tunnel? We can exchange IP's and configs off-list.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I thought you and I were only discussing some X.25 experimentation.
>>> If you want a full-on HECnet connection via GRE, Brian Hechinger can
>>> stick your info in his database, and tunnel configurations will be
>>> automatically generated for all of us on his next run.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>>> On 01/16/2014 02:12 AM, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>> Seems rather counter to the idea of HECnet if it's this difficult to
>>>> join it.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014 10:13 PM, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se
>>>> <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are definitely people running the bridge in the US, but if
>>>> they want to peer is another story.
>>>>
>>>> Johnny
>>>>
>>>> On 2014-01-14 21:31, Mark Abene wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to try getting a GRE tunnel going with Dave McGuire
>>>> soonish... In the meantime, if someone has a speedy connection
>>>> and is
>>>> already running 'bridge' (which would be simplest) let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:25 PM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com
>>>> <mailto:Paul_Koning at dell.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 14, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com
>>>> <mailto:phiber at phiber.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not using the virtual cisco for HECnet at all,
>>>> that's only for the
>>>> X.25 project (currently at sampsa.com
>>>> <http://sampsa.com>, though I may run a local node
>>>> additionally).
>>>> For HECnet I'm just running a plain old fashioned
>>>> Johnny-bridge. :)
>>>> I take it HECnet peers are lacking in the U.S.?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess I should put my Python router up permanently...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> paul
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>> New Kensington, PA
>
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
On 15 Jan 2014, at 22:05, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2014-01-14 03:44, Sampsa Laine wrote:
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +44 7961 149465
On 14 Jan 2014, at 13:42, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> writes:
Anybody know what happened with that discussion re: EISNER and HECnet?
Also, is EISNER even up any more? I can't seem to connect to it.
EISNER is being or has been physically relocated. Once it is back up, I'll
see what can be done about getting it connected to HECnet. I have no idea
what'll be available network-wise/router-wise until EISNER is back on-line.
Mind you with such a large change anyway, it might be a good time to "sneak in" the connection to HECnet :)
I totally dislike the "sneak in" comment. If it is going to happen, it must be done very openly and consciously. Noone will benefit from trying to sneak something in.
Johnny
I think you misunderstood what I meant, I prob expressed it badly, my main point was that since the system is undergoing so many changes etc anyway right now as to be down, this would be a best time to join HECnet..
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Multinet is horribly unreliable because it is based
on a fundamentally defective protocol design.
Really ? I've been using it for years and haven't noticed this.
The HECnet bridge, OTOH, crashes regularly. It doesn't seem to recover
gracefully from network hiccups.
Don't have a Cisco, so I can't comment on that.
My cisco gear (aside from the fact tunnel connect operations can be blocking at times...) run fine!
Bob
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Mark Wickens wrote:
It *almost* makes me want to get the missus to drape herself over an Alphaserver, or such like... ;)
Maybe all this talk of line printers should spur someone to make the DEC equivalent of Benny Benassi's 'Satisfaction' video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5bYDhZBFLA
Well, I'm crazy enough to...but I don't have a line printer. Only an LA120.
Mark
On 16/01/2014 14:05, Daniel Soderstrom wrote:
How about photos which include DEC and cute operators ;)
https://www.its.uq.edu.au/filething/get/4210/1981%20Maralyn%20Kenley.jpg
Kindly,
Daniel S derstr m
Sent from my iPad
On 16 Jan 2014, at 9:46 pm, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at Update.UU.SE> writes:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 06:25:12PM -0500, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/15/2014 06:00 PM, Mark Wickens wrote:
I searched for DEC LP27 printer and came across this treasure chest:
http://www1.appstate.edu/~jmm/operations.tour.html
Not sure it'll be the same since the last update in 1994!
Oh, the PORN!!
You might like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfBMyvIBYAw
(i almost thought it was the same place)
I love the porn soundtrack! :)
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 01/16/2014 05:41 AM, Pontus Pihlgren wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 06:25:12PM -0500, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/15/2014 06:00 PM, Mark Wickens wrote:
I searched for DEC LP27 printer and came across this treasure chest:
http://www1.appstate.edu/~jmm/operations.tour.html
Not sure it'll be the same since the last update in 1994!
Oh, the PORN!!
You might like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfBMyvIBYAw
(i almost thought it was the same place)
I just drooled all over my shirt!
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Thu, 16 Jan 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 01/15/2014 07:20 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Heh! The DZ-11 is a hog. We all know that.
But the LP11 is not really much better. It's also interrupt per
character unless I remember wrong. But it's only one printer per card,
and no input. And of course, much faster, since it's parallel with
handshaking.
The Unibus controller I used at work, and later at home, with an LA180
was an LS11. I don't remember if it was interrupt-per-character as
well, but since it was fairly non-dense TTL logic, I'd assume it was.
It fared very well on my 11/34 running (at the time) RSX. In the
mid-1980s, I was the first person to turn in high-school homework on
printer paper. Even some of the teachers were asking what kind of
"typewriter" made such "strange-looking print". ;)
You've reminded me of how I was the only person a teacher knew
who did a science project narrated by Microsoft Sam.
DECtalk, Stephen Hawkings' voice, would have been much cooler!
I know...but I didn't know about it at the time. :(
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
