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by bob＠jfcl.com

my two choices for Internet in San Jose are Comcast and AT&T Uverse. If you can get DSL service (and if you can get Uverse then you can, right?) then you can sign up with sonic www.sonic.net That's what I use, and I live in Milpitas. Best ISP ever... I only wish I could get Fusion service here - then I could dump AT&T completely. My suggestion about mail forwarding was completely off base. Sorry - I must have been sleepy. Bob

11 years, 9 months

TOPS-20 outgoing mail relay config

by phiber＠phiber.com

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote: Comcast is evil. Evil.... My first suggestion would be to get a real ISP :-) Unfortunately my two choices for Internet in San Jose are Comcast and AT&T Uverse. And being that Uverse is a totally unknown quantity, I'm hesitant to gamble with switching. :) Having said that, how about setting up a Linux box as a relay on your own internal network? It can accept incoming SSL mail on, say, port 465 and then just forward it over your local network to TOPS20 on port 25. Or does COMCAST block port 465 too? Incoming is no longer an issue, just outgoing. For the incoming, I created a postfix transport on an external mail server that I control out on the net, which sends incoming mail to my DDNS address on an alternate (unblocked) port, which my firewall forwards to port 25 on TOPS-20 and all is well. Outgoing mail is another story, since Comcast blocks outgoing to any destination port 25. This is a little trickier, hence why I asked about the mail relays internal to HECnet. In the meantime, I'll see if I can create an outgoing rule in my firewall to send all outgoing TOPS-20 mail to the same external mail server, which I can have listen on another port in addition to 25 and serve as a smarthost. -Mark Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Abene Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 7:12 PM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] TOPS-20 outgoing mail relay config Long story short: after moving to the other side of the country a year ago, I finally (recently) had time to get my TOPS-20 system (KLH10) back up and on HECnet. Only to discover that Comcast (cablemodem service), in their wisdom, blocks port 25 in and out, in an effort to "combat spammers". This rather complicates my e-mail setup in TOPS-20. For incoming, I simply created a transport relay on an external mail server that I control in order to deliver mail on an alternate port number that isn't blocked, and then simply port forward it from my firewall to tcp port 25 on the TOPS-20 server. That was the easy part. Outgoing mail from TOPS-20 is proving to be a bit more difficult. I was thinking I may be able to intercept all outgoing traffic from TOPS-20 bound for port 25 at whatever smtp server, and redirect it to a single smart host (mail server on the net which I control), on an alternate port that isn't blocked. Might work. The reason I'm asking about this here, is I'm curious given the mail transports at LEGATO and CHIMPY on HECnet, if anyone has tried simply setting one of them up as a "smarthost" relay for all outgoing mail in TOPS-20, perhaps via the <mail>mailer-relay-info.txt config file. Unfortunately the syntax of mailer-relay-info.txt is a little confusing; despite the explanation in the file's comments, there are no clear examples, and trying to follow the logic of the options in the MMAILR MACRO assembly code is less than helpful in modern mail server context (transmogrify?? who's domain??). Any suggestions welcome. -Mark

11 years, 9 months

TOPS-20 outgoing mail relay config

by phiber＠phiber.com

On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: Hello! Mark, I feel your pain, I really do. (Yes I know that phrase is older then we are. Well most of us.) My service provider tends to support that theory but upon request would be interested in removing the block. The big problem is that your service provider suffers from be technologically challenged. They support the one from Washington State perfectly. They barely support Linux. And even the Mac. But what you are using, in this case TOPS-20 is something they haven't a clue about. Before moving, what were you using before? I'm from NYC, where TImeWarner gives you a nice fat pipe and doesn't mess with blocking any ports. So I never had to deal with this problem before. And what sort of responses did you get back from your service provider? Once upon a time even AT&T took that idiotic pose before it got worse when they were taking up with Yahoo....... I haven't raised the issue at all with Comcast here in San Jose. I got around it for incoming mail, I'll see if I can rewrite the outgoing traffic in my firewall and send it to a smarthost mail server on a port other than 25. But the whole thing is rather annoying. -Mark ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com> wrote: Long story short: after moving to the other side of the country a year ago, I finally (recently) had time to get my TOPS-20 system (KLH10) back up and on HECnet. Only to discover that Comcast (cablemodem service), in their wisdom, blocks port 25 in and out, in an effort to "combat spammers". This rather complicates my e-mail setup in TOPS-20. For incoming, I simply created a transport relay on an external mail server that I control in order to deliver mail on an alternate port number that isn't blocked, and then simply port forward it from my firewall to tcp port 25 on the TOPS-20 server. That was the easy part. Outgoing mail from TOPS-20 is proving to be a bit more difficult. I was thinking I may be able to intercept all outgoing traffic from TOPS-20 bound for port 25 at whatever smtp server, and redirect it to a single smart host (mail server on the net which I control), on an alternate port that isn't blocked. Might work. The reason I'm asking about this here, is I'm curious given the mail transports at LEGATO and CHIMPY on HECnet, if anyone has tried simply setting one of them up as a "smarthost" relay for all outgoing mail in TOPS-20, perhaps via the <mail>mailer-relay-info.txt config file. Unfortunately the syntax of mailer-relay-info.txt is a little confusing; despite the explanation in the file's comments, there are no clear examples, and trying to follow the logic of the options in the MMAILR MACRO assembly code is less than helpful in modern mail server context (transmogrify?? who's domain??). Any suggestions welcome. -Mark

11 years, 9 months

TOPS-20 outgoing mail relay config

by bob＠jfcl.com

Comcast is evil. Evil.... My first suggestion would be to get a real ISP :-) Having said that, how about setting up a Linux box as a relay on your own internal network? It can accept incoming SSL mail on, say, port 465 and then just forward it over your local network to TOPS20 on port 25. Or does COMCAST block port 465 too? Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Abene Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 7:12 PM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] TOPS-20 outgoing mail relay config Long story short: after moving to the other side of the country a year ago, I finally (recently) had time to get my TOPS-20 system (KLH10) back up and on HECnet. Only to discover that Comcast (cablemodem service), in their wisdom, blocks port 25 in and out, in an effort to "combat spammers". This rather complicates my e-mail setup in TOPS-20. For incoming, I simply created a transport relay on an external mail server that I control in order to deliver mail on an alternate port number that isn't blocked, and then simply port forward it from my firewall to tcp port 25 on the TOPS-20 server. That was the easy part. Outgoing mail from TOPS-20 is proving to be a bit more difficult. I was thinking I may be able to intercept all outgoing traffic from TOPS-20 bound for port 25 at whatever smtp server, and redirect it to a single smart host (mail server on the net which I control), on an alternate port that isn't blocked. Might work. The reason I'm asking about this here, is I'm curious given the mail transports at LEGATO and CHIMPY on HECnet, if anyone has tried simply setting one of them up as a "smarthost" relay for all outgoing mail in TOPS-20, perhaps via the <mail>mailer-relay-info.txt config file. Unfortunately the syntax of mailer-relay-info.txt is a little confusing; despite the explanation in the file's comments, there are no clear examples, and trying to follow the logic of the options in the MMAILR MACRO assembly code is less than helpful in modern mail server context (transmogrify?? who's domain??). Any suggestions welcome. -Mark

11 years, 9 months

TOPS-20 outgoing mail relay config

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Mark, I feel your pain, I really do. (Yes I know that phrase is older then we are. Well most of us.) My service provider tends to support that theory but upon request would be interested in removing the block. The big problem is that your service provider suffers from be technologically challenged. They support the one from Washington State perfectly. They barely support Linux. And even the Mac. But what you are using, in this case TOPS-20 is something they haven't a clue about. Before moving, what were you using before? And what sort of responses did you get back from your service provider? Once upon a time even AT&T took that idiotic pose before it got worse when they were taking up with Yahoo....... ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com> wrote: Long story short: after moving to the other side of the country a year ago, I finally (recently) had time to get my TOPS-20 system (KLH10) back up and on HECnet. Only to discover that Comcast (cablemodem service), in their wisdom, blocks port 25 in and out, in an effort to "combat spammers". This rather complicates my e-mail setup in TOPS-20. For incoming, I simply created a transport relay on an external mail server that I control in order to deliver mail on an alternate port number that isn't blocked, and then simply port forward it from my firewall to tcp port 25 on the TOPS-20 server. That was the easy part. Outgoing mail from TOPS-20 is proving to be a bit more difficult. I was thinking I may be able to intercept all outgoing traffic from TOPS-20 bound for port 25 at whatever smtp server, and redirect it to a single smart host (mail server on the net which I control), on an alternate port that isn't blocked. Might work. The reason I'm asking about this here, is I'm curious given the mail transports at LEGATO and CHIMPY on HECnet, if anyone has tried simply setting one of them up as a "smarthost" relay for all outgoing mail in TOPS-20, perhaps via the <mail>mailer-relay-info.txt config file. Unfortunately the syntax of mailer-relay-info.txt is a little confusing; despite the explanation in the file's comments, there are no clear examples, and trying to follow the logic of the options in the MMAILR MACRO assembly code is less than helpful in modern mail server context (transmogrify?? who's domain??). Any suggestions welcome. -Mark

11 years, 9 months

TOPS-20 outgoing mail relay config

by phiber＠phiber.com

Long story short: after moving to the other side of the country a year ago, I finally (recently) had time to get my TOPS-20 system (KLH10) back up and on HECnet. Only to discover that Comcast (cablemodem service), in their wisdom, blocks port 25 in and out, in an effort to "combat spammers". This rather complicates my e-mail setup in TOPS-20. For incoming, I simply created a transport relay on an external mail server that I control in order to deliver mail on an alternate port number that isn't blocked, and then simply port forward it from my firewall to tcp port 25 on the TOPS-20 server. That was the easy part. Outgoing mail from TOPS-20 is proving to be a bit more difficult. I was thinking I may be able to intercept all outgoing traffic from TOPS-20 bound for port 25 at whatever smtp server, and redirect it to a single smart host (mail server on the net which I control), on an alternate port that isn't blocked. Might work. The reason I'm asking about this here, is I'm curious given the mail transports at LEGATO and CHIMPY on HECnet, if anyone has tried simply setting one of them up as a "smarthost" relay for all outgoing mail in TOPS-20, perhaps via the <mail>mailer-relay-info.txt config file. Unfortunately the syntax of mailer-relay-info.txt is a little confusing; despite the explanation in the file's comments, there are no clear examples, and trying to follow the logic of the options in the MMAILR MACRO assembly code is less than helpful in modern mail server context (transmogrify?? who's domain??). Any suggestions welcome. -Mark

11 years, 9 months

Fwd: DECUServe status

by system＠TMESIS.COM

Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> writes: Looks like EISNER:: is back up! -Dave Yup, almost 2 days. I'm busy working on some RMS CDC enhancements but then, I will focus on the task of getting Eisner onto HECnet. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

11 years, 9 months

Fwd: DECUServe status

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Looks like EISNER:: is back up! -Dave -------- Original Message -------- Subject: DECUServe status Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2014 22:27:43 -0600 From: Dale E. Coy <dale at thecoys.net> Reply-To: comp.os.vms to email gateway <info-vax at rbnsn.com> Organization: albasani.net To: info-vax at rbnsn.com Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Eisner/DECUServe/Encompasserve is back online. Thanks to Sue Skonetski for coordinating (arm-twisting?) Nemonix, when she also had other things to handle. Thanks to Nemonix for volunteering the physical hosting, financing the movement, receiving/assembling/etc. Thanks to Connect for lots of support. Thanks to Bill Norton of ibuttonlink for several years of hands-on system management, followed by wrangling the packing/shipping/etc. Thanks to Hunter Goatley for jumping in to help with the final communications setup. There are still a few details to sort out - but no big deals. The system is still on Central time - and I'm not sure that's all bad. Etc. Whew! Dale

11 years, 9 months

OT: need help with part number

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I've been digging for hours and can't find this. I need the DEC part number for either (preferably both) of the two cabinet kits for the KFMSA board, which is an XMI DSSI controller. They are CK-KFMSA-LJ and CK-KFMSA-LN, but I need the part numbers. Can anyone help me out? Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

11 years, 9 months

DECNET-10 in a simh emulated KS10 running TOPS-10

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

The current state of simh allows to network a TOPS-10 simulated machine using the KDP/DUP interface. You need a VAX (or a PDP-11) configured as routing node and with a synchronous device enabled. As far as I know, this restricts your choice to a "full" VAX (I use the vax780) and to VMS 4.7 (I think later versions do not support the DMC without additional software). The gory details: http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2014/01/networking-virtual-ks-10.html Enjoy! Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

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