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QBUS sound [Was: Re: [HECnet] Parallel computing using DECnet]

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! It's strange. I think I've seen a PRO someplace, but I can't recall where. I do recall seeing a PDP-11 working in special circumstances. (Would anyone curious please ask off list.) Would a board built to be a MIDI controller suffice? One of the composers who specializes in TV music basically constructed a whole system for a TV show about thirty years ago. Eventually he switched to a Mac....... ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2014-05-20 17:39, Jean-Yves Bernier wrote: At 8:05 AM +0200 2/5/14, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: I've yet to see a PDP-11 with builtin color graphics _and_ sound. This one has both: http://www2.pescadoo.net/pdp/syter/grm2082.jpg The machine is a SMS 1000 OEM 11/73. Here is the mixer screen: http://www2.pescadoo.net/pdp/syter/INSTR2.GRA.png and the edit screen: http://www2.pescadoo.net/pdp/syter/INSTR5.GRA.png 512x512x8 frame buffer manufactured by Arinfo, France. Serial BitPad. Custom 4AD/8DA through DRV11. Discontinued. Of course... :-( Anyway, I just realized/remembered that I'm not sure if the PRO was ever mentioned in the context of PDP-11 with graphics and sound. The PRO obviously always have grahpics. But there was also a sound option to it, which could interface with telephone systems. Not sure exactly how capable it was, but I have some blurb in a handbook somewhere. Johnny

11 years, 8 months

QBUS sound [Was: Re: [HECnet] Parallel computing using DECnet]

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2014-05-20 17:39, Jean-Yves Bernier wrote: At 8:05 AM +0200 2/5/14, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: I've yet to see a PDP-11 with builtin color graphics _and_ sound. This one has both: http://www2.pescadoo.net/pdp/syter/grm2082.jpg The machine is a SMS 1000 OEM 11/73. Here is the mixer screen: http://www2.pescadoo.net/pdp/syter/INSTR2.GRA.png and the edit screen: http://www2.pescadoo.net/pdp/syter/INSTR5.GRA.png 512x512x8 frame buffer manufactured by Arinfo, France. Serial BitPad. Custom 4AD/8DA through DRV11. Discontinued. Of course... :-( Anyway, I just realized/remembered that I'm not sure if the PRO was ever mentioned in the context of PDP-11 with graphics and sound. The PRO obviously always have grahpics. But there was also a sound option to it, which could interface with telephone systems. Not sure exactly how capable it was, but I have some blurb in a handbook somewhere. Johnny

11 years, 8 months

RSTS/E is really picky

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 20 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote: It's a dual-height board. I don't think it /can/ be an 11/23+! Doh! So you actually have a KDF11-AA (M8186). That sucks. I'm not sure if those were ever upgraded to 22-bit addressing, or if you need the KDF11-BA (M8189) for that. Not sure. Not going to complaing considering the price. ;) Oh well, so you might actually be stuck with 11M then. Yeah. :( My 11/23+ board is dead++ but I have a replacement (eventually) on the way. Hey, at least I can run mapped unlike my 11/03s. ;) I have a lot of those boards... I'm tired and I've been fiddling with many different things. ;) :-) Johnny -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

11 years, 8 months

RSTS/E is really picky

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2014-05-20 17:11, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote: My memory board is third-party. Looks like it's truncating my memory then. ;) Are you sure. Very few 11/23 systems actually exist. Most people really have 11/23+ systems, even if they are not aware of it. It's a dual-height board. I don't think it /can/ be an 11/23+! Doh! So you actually have a KDF11-AA (M8186). That sucks. I'm not sure if those were ever upgraded to 22-bit addressing, or if you need the KDF11-BA (M8189) for that. Oh well, so you might actually be stuck with 11M then. (That said, without split I/D-space, you'll have preciously little pool space, but that might not be a big issue for you right here.) Probably not. I'll only have one disk in use at a time really. Pool space is used for many things, but with just one user, and few things running, not much pool is needed. Ahh. I must be thinking of...buffer space? Not sure what you are thinking of. :-) I'm tired and I've been fiddling with many different things. ;) :-) Johnny

11 years, 8 months

QBUS sound [Was: Re: [HECnet] Parallel computing using DECnet]

by bernier＠pescadoo.net

At 8:05 AM +0200 2/5/14, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: I've yet to see a PDP-11 with builtin color graphics _and_ sound. This one has both: http://www2.pescadoo.net/pdp/syter/grm2082.jpg The machine is a SMS 1000 OEM 11/73. Here is the mixer screen: http://www2.pescadoo.net/pdp/syter/INSTR2.GRA.png and the edit screen: http://www2.pescadoo.net/pdp/syter/INSTR5.GRA.png 512x512x8 frame buffer manufactured by Arinfo, France. Serial BitPad. Custom 4AD/8DA through DRV11. Discontinued. -- Jean-Yves Bernier

11 years, 8 months

RSTS/E is really picky

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 20 May 2014, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: The disk is 1048778 blocks. I created a 512M image and copied it bit-for-bit to the disk. I think i'll just go SYSGEN 4.8 and wait for my cleaning tapes to get RSTS/E working. How about copying the image back off, to see if the disk controller mangled it? I'll do that once RSX is up so I don't have to dismantle the system again. ;) The message you quoted says that the content of block 1 is invalid (the pack label). Judging by the code, what it found is 0143161 rather than a valid PCS. Interesting. I wonder how its getting mangled. The disk size IS changing between copy and creation, though. (Because both are different...apparently unavoidable due to 1000 versus 1024k.) I wonder if your partitioning disk controller is misbehaving. Possible...but RT-11 and RSX-11 are fine with it. They're a bit less picky though. VMS didn't seem too picky, either. BTW, sufficiently recent versions of RSTS (including the one you have, given that message) should handle a 2 GB disk directly (at DCS=64). That way you don t need to mess with partitions. I didn't have a tape drive at the time...so I would've needed to copy a 2G image at 10Mbit to a disk that wouldn't show up as 2G. (That drive then failed) I'll just wait for the cleaning tape. paul -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

11 years, 8 months

RSTS/E is really picky

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On May 20, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote: After a reboot: Pack cluster size is not 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 or 64. PC=120324 PS=030344 OV=000006 M5=004000 M6=004200 SP=041236 R0=000026 R1=143161 R2=143161 R3=000000 R4=000002 R5=041350 The disk is 1048778 blocks. I created a 512M image and copied it bit-for-bit to the disk. I think i'll just go SYSGEN 4.8 and wait for my cleaning tapes to get RSTS/E working. How about copying the image back off, to see if the disk controller mangled it? The message you quoted says that the content of block 1 is invalid (the pack label). Judging by the code, what it found is 0143161 rather than a valid PCS. I wonder if your partitioning disk controller is misbehaving. BTW, sufficiently recent versions of RSTS (including the one you have, given that message) should handle a 2 GB disk directly (at DCS=64). That way you don t need to mess with partitions. paul

11 years, 8 months

RSTS/E is really picky

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 20 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote: My memory board is third-party. Looks like it's truncating my memory then. ;) Are you sure. Very few 11/23 systems actually exist. Most people really have 11/23+ systems, even if they are not aware of it. It's a dual-height board. I don't think it /can/ be an 11/23+! (That said, without split I/D-space, you'll have preciously little pool space, but that might not be a big issue for you right here.) Probably not. I'll only have one disk in use at a time really. Pool space is used for many things, but with just one user, and few things running, not much pool is needed. Ahh. I must be thinking of...buffer space? Not sure what you are thinking of. :-) I'm tired and I've been fiddling with many different things. ;) Johnny -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

11 years, 8 months

RSTS/E is really picky

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2014-05-20 17:06, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Tue, 20 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote: 4.6M+'s SYSGEN and it wouldn't accept 11/23 as an answer. The difference between the 11/23 and 11/23+ is the amount of memory. The original 11/23 could not go above 256K... If you have more, then you actually have an 11/23+. My memory board is third-party. Looks like it's truncating my memory then. ;) Are you sure. Very few 11/23 systems actually exist. Most people really have 11/23+ systems, even if they are not aware of it. (That said, without split I/D-space, you'll have preciously little pool space, but that might not be a big issue for you right here.) Probably not. I'll only have one disk in use at a time really. Pool space is used for many things, but with just one user, and few things running, not much pool is needed. Ahh. I must be thinking of...buffer space? Not sure what you are thinking of. :-) Johnny

11 years, 8 months

RSTS/E is really picky

by b4＠gewt.net

On Tue, 20 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote: 4.6M+'s SYSGEN and it wouldn't accept 11/23 as an answer. The difference between the 11/23 and 11/23+ is the amount of memory. The original 11/23 could not go above 256K... If you have more, then you actually have an 11/23+. My memory board is third-party. Looks like it's truncating my memory then. ;) (That said, without split I/D-space, you'll have preciously little pool space, but that might not be a big issue for you right here.) Probably not. I'll only have one disk in use at a time really. Pool space is used for many things, but with just one user, and few things running, not much pool is needed. Ahh. I must be thinking of...buffer space? Johnny -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

11 years, 8 months

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