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by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

Bob Armstrong wrote: Christine Caulfield wrote: You should be able to encapsulate DECnet in a GRE tunnel, yes. Do you know offhand if this will talk to a Multinet DECnet-IP tunnel? I very much doubt it to be honest. Linux GRE tunnels don't look anything like the multinet ones as far as I can tell. I did attempt a multinet daemon for Linux but I haven't tried it for ages, I can't remember how useful it got! A couple of years ago I think Mary Berryman was able to get his Cisco router talking to a Multinet tunnel using IP/GRE but I don't know if he had to do any tweaking to get it to work or not. -- Chrissie

16 years, 9 months

DECnet/Linux tunnels

by bob＠jfcl.com

Christine Caulfield wrote: You should be able to encapsulate DECnet in a GRE tunnel, yes. Do you know offhand if this will talk to a Multinet DECnet-IP tunnel? A couple of years ago I think Mary Berryman was able to get his Cisco router talking to a Multinet tunnel using IP/GRE but I don't know if he had to do any tweaking to get it to work or not. Don't know what happened to Mark - we haven't heard from him for a while. Bob

16 years, 9 months

DECnet/Linux tunnels

by christine.caulfield＠googlemail.com

Bob Armstrong wrote: Christine Caulfield wrote: My Linux nodes seem to talk with your RSX machines quite happily ... well, mostly ... Does DECnet/Linux have any kind of DECnet-over-IP tunneling ability? You should be able to encapsulate DECnet in a GRE tunnel, yes. I don't know anyone who has tried it though! Chrissie

16 years, 9 months

DECnet/Linux tunnels

by bob＠jfcl.com

Christine Caulfield wrote: My Linux nodes seem to talk with your RSX machines quite happily ... well, mostly ... Does DECnet/Linux have any kind of DECnet-over-IP tunneling ability? Bob

16 years, 9 months

Quiet list and a question about setting up a system

by bob＠jfcl.com

I'd quite like to have a go at running an area. Will OpenVMS VAX 7.3 w/corresponding UCX install suffice for tunneling DECnet-over-IP (RFC1006) to other HECnet routers? Don't know the answer to that one, but Bob Armstrong and others do. I hope they'll chime in. Does UCX do DECnet tunneling over IP? AFAIK it has no such feature, but I haven't used it for years. If it does, then I'm afraid I know nothing about it. FWIW, I switched from UCX to Multinet years ago because the Multinet implementation was much more complete and much less buggy. If you're a hobbyist you might want to consider switching too; there is a free hobbyist license program for Multinet and other Process Software products. Bob

16 years, 9 months

Quiet list and a question about setting up a system

by andy＠smokebelch.org

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Johnny Billquist wrote: Andrew Back wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Johnny Billquist wrote: <<SNIP>> Yes, phase V should probably work in most cases. What you need to be aware of is that the DECnet routing license isn't included in the VMS hobbyist program, so unless you have some other license for that part, you will not be able to actually do this. Also, area routing is only supported on OpenVMS/VAX. No Alpha support. And finally, I'm not sure if phase V can do routing. It might be that you need phase IV for that part, but this is something others will have to verify. Oh :o( Having seen DVNETEXT in the PAKs I was thinking this is routing when of course it is DVNETRTG. Now I need to find a machine with DVNETRTG... I *really* wanted to play with Phase V routing also. In the meantime what are my other options for Phase IV routing? I'm guessing your bridge software plus an emulated system running software with routing else a hardware router of some description. With my bridge program, you don't need to have any routing nodes at all. Well, yes, but I like the idea of operating an area and playing with routing. You know, adding complexity for fun. Cheers, Andrew

16 years, 9 months

Quiet list and a question about setting up a system

by bqt＠softjar.se

Andrew Back wrote: On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Johnny Billquist wrote: <<SNIP>> Yes, phase V should probably work in most cases. What you need to be aware of is that the DECnet routing license isn't included in the VMS hobbyist program, so unless you have some other license for that part, you will not be able to actually do this. Also, area routing is only supported on OpenVMS/VAX. No Alpha support. And finally, I'm not sure if phase V can do routing. It might be that you need phase IV for that part, but this is something others will have to verify. Oh :o( Having seen DVNETEXT in the PAKs I was thinking this is routing when of course it is DVNETRTG. Now I need to find a machine with DVNETRTG... I *really* wanted to play with Phase V routing also. In the meantime what are my other options for Phase IV routing? I'm guessing your bridge software plus an emulated system running software with routing else a hardware router of some description. With my bridge program, you don't need to have any routing nodes at all. Johnny

16 years, 9 months

Quiet list and a question about setting up a system

by andy＠smokebelch.org

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Johnny Billquist wrote: <<SNIP>> Yes, phase V should probably work in most cases. What you need to be aware of is that the DECnet routing license isn't included in the VMS hobbyist program, so unless you have some other license for that part, you will not be able to actually do this. Also, area routing is only supported on OpenVMS/VAX. No Alpha support. And finally, I'm not sure if phase V can do routing. It might be that you need phase IV for that part, but this is something others will have to verify. Oh :o( Having seen DVNETEXT in the PAKs I was thinking this is routing when of course it is DVNETRTG. Now I need to find a machine with DVNETRTG... I *really* wanted to play with Phase V routing also. In the meantime what are my other options for Phase IV routing? I'm guessing your bridge software plus an emulated system running software with routing else a hardware router of some description. Cheers, Andrew

16 years, 9 months

Quiet list and a question about setting up a system

by bqt＠softjar.se

Andrew Back skrev: On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Johnny Billquist wrote: Zane H. Healy wrote: I'm not sure how much traffic gets routed, but I've got a decent amount of bandwidth available as well. I've never really noticed any real hit on my bandwidth. So how do I get started with the node numbers and what-not? Hopefully Johnny will show up sometime soon, he is the central registry for such things. You need to figure out if you just need a node number or two, or an area. Most people don't need an area, and in order to have an area, you need an area router. I suspect most of us have our own areas for historical reasons (i.e. one of our systems was originally in such and such area). Right. If anyone wants an area, and have an area router, just say so. There are still plenty of unallocated areas, and I don't really see it as likely that we'll run out of them. I'd quite like to have a go at running an area. Will OpenVMS VAX 7.3 w/corresponding UCX install suffice for tunneling DECnet-over-IP (RFC1006) to other HECnet routers? Don't know the answer to that one, but Bob Armstrong and others do. I hope they'll chime in. If so I have a SimH instance on my home server I could use. And then a couple of Alpha boxen that are sometimes powered-up which it could route to. And if so am I right in thinking I could use Phase V but as long as I configure all it's Phase IV aspects appropriately? It's over 10 years since I was a VMS admin and it's all getting a bit hazy. Yes, phase V should probably work in most cases. What you need to be aware of is that the DECnet routing license isn't included in the VMS hobbyist program, so unless you have some other license for that part, you will not be able to actually do this. Also, area routing is only supported on OpenVMS/VAX. No Alpha support. And finally, I'm not sure if phase V can do routing. It might be that you need phase IV for that part, but this is something others will have to verify. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

16 years, 9 months

Quiet list and a question about setting up a system

by andy＠smokebelch.org

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008, Johnny Billquist wrote: Zane H. Healy wrote: I'm not sure how much traffic gets routed, but I've got a decent amount of bandwidth available as well. I've never really noticed any real hit on my bandwidth. So how do I get started with the node numbers and what-not? Hopefully Johnny will show up sometime soon, he is the central registry for such things. You need to figure out if you just need a node number or two, or an area. Most people don't need an area, and in order to have an area, you need an area router. I suspect most of us have our own areas for historical reasons (i.e. one of our systems was originally in such and such area). Right. If anyone wants an area, and have an area router, just say so. There are still plenty of unallocated areas, and I don't really see it as likely that we'll run out of them. I'd quite like to have a go at running an area. Will OpenVMS VAX 7.3 w/corresponding UCX install suffice for tunneling DECnet-over-IP (RFC1006) to other HECnet routers? If so I have a SimH instance on my home server I could use. And then a couple of Alpha boxen that are sometimes powered-up which it could route to. And if so am I right in thinking I could use Phase V but as long as I configure all it's Phase IV aspects appropriately? It's over 10 years since I was a VMS admin and it's all getting a bit hazy. Cheers, Andrew

16 years, 9 months

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