Steve,
My infoserver 100 definitely does not take the NEC style - it takes the two-part style. The PDF here:
http://vt100.net/mirror/mds-199909/cd3/disk/dis1kin1.pdf
shows this two-part caddy in operation on page 2-15.
When I get home tonight, I will be plugging in my external CD ROM into the box so that I can get an OS on the drive, etc. However, I'd really like to keep the hardware as close to original for day-to-day operation.
Ian.
On 2009-12-08, at 11:53 AM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Zane,
I have an InfoServer-100. They take the "standard" NEC cartridge-type (clear dome) caddy. The caddy is in the drive for the duration of use. An option that may be exercised is to install and external drive or stack using the external connector, or add an additional HDD (for speed). I have done both. I have a Pioneer stack plus an additional HDD for both speed and flexibility.
-Steve
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 14:09
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] RRD40 / Infoserver 100 CDROM Caddy
Steve,
I believe he needs the one wiht the pronged holder that stays in the drive
while the outer clear cover comes back out when you load a CD in the drive.
To the best of my knowledge only one company made these drives. I actually
have bare drive still in the box, and an external RRD40.
My question would be, does the Infoserver allow upgrading the CD-ROM drive?
If so I'd look into something like an RRD42 or a Plextor drive if it will
work (I've had good luck with Plextor drives in DEC gear). The RRD40 is the
most agonizingly slow CD-ROM drive I've ever used!
Zane
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Steve Davidson wrote:
Ian,
The caddy is made by NEC (among others). I would start on the NEC web
site. Stores that specialize in refurbished PC's or places that have random
electronics may be able to help as well. If you are still stuck let me know
off-line and I'll see what I can come up with.
-Steve
____________________________________________________________________________
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf
Of Ian McLaughlin
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 00:58
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] RRD40 / Infoserver 100 CDROM Caddy
Hello All, Does anyone have for sale, or know of a location to purchase, a
disk caddy for the RRD40 CDROM drive found in an InfoServer 100? It's not
the same style as the 'standard' CD caddies. I have acquired an InfoServer
100, but it's missing the caddy.
I'd appreciate any assistance in getting a caddy. Thanks!
Ian.
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Zane,
I have an InfoServer-100. They take the "standard" NEC cartridge-type (clear dome) caddy. The caddy is in the drive for the duration of use. An option that may be exercised is to install and external drive or stack using the external connector, or add an additional HDD (for speed). I have done both. I have a Pioneer stack plus an additional HDD for both speed and flexibility.
-Steve
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 14:09
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: RE: [HECnet] RRD40 / Infoserver 100 CDROM Caddy
Steve,
I believe he needs the one wiht the pronged holder that stays in the drive
while the outer clear cover comes back out when you load a CD in the drive.
To the best of my knowledge only one company made these drives. I actually
have bare drive still in the box, and an external RRD40.
My question would be, does the Infoserver allow upgrading the CD-ROM drive?
If so I'd look into something like an RRD42 or a Plextor drive if it will
work (I've had good luck with Plextor drives in DEC gear). The RRD40 is the
most agonizingly slow CD-ROM drive I've ever used!
Zane
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Steve Davidson wrote:
Ian,
The caddy is made by NEC (among others). I would start on the NEC web
site. Stores that specialize in refurbished PC's or places that have random
electronics may be able to help as well. If you are still stuck let me know
off-line and I'll see what I can come up with.
-Steve
____________________________________________________________________________
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf
Of Ian McLaughlin
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 00:58
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] RRD40 / Infoserver 100 CDROM Caddy
Hello All, Does anyone have for sale, or know of a location to purchase, a
disk caddy for the RRD40 CDROM drive found in an InfoServer 100? It's not
the same style as the 'standard' CD caddies. I have acquired an InfoServer
100, but it's missing the caddy.
I'd appreciate any assistance in getting a caddy. Thanks!
Ian.
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Zane is correct - I need the pronged 2-piece-slide-out-of-the-holder type
caddy, which I've been unable to locate.
I have an external CD ROM drive that works with my other VAXes, so I will
try plugging that in to the infoserver to see if I can restore the software
that way. However, my interest is to try to keep my hardware as close to
original as possible - that's why I would like a caddy if possible.
I can understand this "problem", it's why I still have any of the drives
myself. I hate them, but like keeping my VS3100 in an "authentic" config. I even have two of the 3100 era 2 HD expansion chassis for it.
Zane
Zane is correct - I need the pronged 2-piece-slide-out-of-the-holder type caddy, which I've been unable to locate.
I have an external CD ROM drive that works with my other VAXes, so I will try plugging that in to the infoserver to see if I can restore the software that way. However, my interest is to try to keep my hardware as close to original as possible - that's why I would like a caddy if possible.
Internally, the RRD40 drive has some sort of low-pin-count connector going to another circuit board inside the infoserver. That board has a SCSI connector which connects to the SCSI bus. If I replaced the drive, I would probably have to remove the adapter board.
Thanks everyone.
Ian.
On 2009-12-08, at 11:17 AM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Zane H. Healy wrote:
Steve,
I believe he needs the one wiht the pronged holder that stays in the drive
while the outer clear cover comes back out when you load a CD in the
drive. To the best of my knowledge only one company made these drives. I
actually
have bare drive still in the box, and an external RRD40.
My question would be, does the Infoserver allow upgrading the CD-ROM
drive? If so I'd look into something like an RRD42 or a Plextor drive if
it will
work (I've had good luck with Plextor drives in DEC gear). The RRD40 is the
most agonizingly slow CD-ROM drive I've ever used!
I've had luck with replacing the drive in InfoServers with any old VAX-bootable CD-ROM drive. Even the Toshiba XM-4101, which doesn't quite fit properly.
Peace... Sridhar
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Zane H. Healy wrote:
Steve,
I believe he needs the one wiht the pronged holder that stays in the drive
while the outer clear cover comes back out when you load a CD in the
drive. To the best of my knowledge only one company made these drives. I
actually
have bare drive still in the box, and an external RRD40.
My question would be, does the Infoserver allow upgrading the CD-ROM
drive? If so I'd look into something like an RRD42 or a Plextor drive if
it will
work (I've had good luck with Plextor drives in DEC gear). The RRD40 is the
most agonizingly slow CD-ROM drive I've ever used!
I've had luck with replacing the drive in InfoServers with any old VAX-bootable CD-ROM drive. Even the Toshiba XM-4101, which doesn't quite fit properly.
Peace... Sridhar
Steve,
I believe he needs the one wiht the pronged holder that stays in the drive
while the outer clear cover comes back out when you load a CD in the drive. To the best of my knowledge only one company made these drives. I actually
have bare drive still in the box, and an external RRD40.
My question would be, does the Infoserver allow upgrading the CD-ROM drive? If so I'd look into something like an RRD42 or a Plextor drive if it will
work (I've had good luck with Plextor drives in DEC gear). The RRD40 is the
most agonizingly slow CD-ROM drive I've ever used!
Zane
On Tue, 8 Dec 2009, Steve Davidson wrote:
Ian,
The caddy is made by NEC (among others). I would start on the NEC web
site. Stores that specialize in refurbished PC's or places that have random
electronics may be able to help as well. If you are still stuck let me know
off-line and I'll see what I can come up with.
-Steve
____________________________________________________________________________
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf
Of Ian McLaughlin
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 00:58
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] RRD40 / Infoserver 100 CDROM Caddy
Hello All, Does anyone have for sale, or know of a location to purchase, a
disk caddy for the RRD40 CDROM drive found in an InfoServer 100? It's not
the same style as the 'standard' CD caddies. I have acquired an InfoServer
100, but it's missing the caddy.
I'd appreciate any assistance in getting a caddy. Thanks!
Ian.
Ian,
The caddy is made by NEC (among others). I would start on the NEC web site. Stores that specialize in refurbished PC's or places that have random electronics may be able to help as well. If you are still stuck let me know off-line and I'll see what I can come up with.
-Steve
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Ian McLaughlin
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 00:58
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] RRD40 / Infoserver 100 CDROM Caddy
Hello All,
Does anyone have for sale, or know of a location to purchase, a disk caddy for the RRD40 CDROM drive found in an InfoServer 100? It's not the same style as the 'standard' CD caddies. I have acquired an InfoServer 100, but it's missing the caddy.
I'd appreciate any assistance in getting a caddy. Thanks!
Ian.
Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Hello All,
Does anyone have for sale, or know of a location to purchase, a disk caddy for the RRD40 CDROM drive found in an InfoServer 100? It's not the same style as the 'standard' CD caddies. I have acquired an InfoServer 100, but it's missing the caddy.
I'd appreciate any assistance in getting a caddy. Thanks!
Ian.
Hi Ian,
Wouldn't it be easier to replace the RRD40 with an newer drive? E.g. a RRD43, RRD44 or RRD45. They are faster and you don't need any caddies.
Kari
On 2009-12-06, at 9:23 AM, Dan Williams wrote:
The online docs aren't the easiest to look through. But they are there
it's in this book
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/DECNET_OVMS_NET_MAN…
Page 3-49.
I only found it by searching the whole document for routing and
looking at every result.
Thanks for finding that! I know where I went wrong - I'm old-school when it comes to documentation - I've got the PDFs printed out, because I prefer dead-tree format.
Ian.
2009/12/5 Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net>:
On 2009-12-04, at 7:23 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
You know, all this DECnet routing talk has got me thinking. It's been a
LONG time since I've done any DECnet networking. Is there a good place to
read up on it or should I just read the VMS manuals online since I'll be
doing this from VMS mainly at first.
I spent quite some time trying to get an area router working. I couldn't
find any documentation other than the standard DEC manuals (available
online). The DEC manuals talk about the theory, including non-routing,
level 1 routing and level 2 routing (area routing), but I couldn't find any
document that explained how to enable level 2 routing. Thankfully, this
list was able to help me out.
Ian.
The online docs aren't the easiest to look through. But they are there
it's in this book
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/DECNET_OVMS_NET_MAN…
Page 3-49.
I only found it by searching the whole document for routing and
looking at every result.
Dan
