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Announcement: We've rolled out a retro UUCP network, UUHEC.net

by sampsa＠mac.com

Whilst not strictly HECnet related, I figured as this audience is likely to be full of people who enjoy tinkering with various bits of retro tech stuff and so I thought I'd let you know that we've rolled out a small UUCP "network" between myself, Steve and Fred. It runs over TCP links between our sites, mainly running Taylor UUCP, however one of my hosts runs a 1992 bit of BBS software called Waffle 1.65. Let me know if anyone wants to join in, it's a giggle, really*. I'll even route real internet mail for interested parties** - we have registered the UUHEC.net domain for this purpose. Sampsa * Seriously, check out the crazy Waffle BBS software by logging into CHIMPY as the user B4BBS and then log on as WAFFLE at B4BBS. It's default messages keep cracking me up, random Zippy the Pinhead quotes all over the place. ** Within reason.

14 years, 10 months

Re: DECnet kit for RT-11

by davidson＠declab.net

Zane, I have been able to find only half the kit. It is installed on my Pro however. DEC only made the one kit - the Pro was never included or excluded to my knowledge. When I joined the RT-11 group DECnet on RT-11 was cancelled within a week of my start date. I had hoped to work on that project, but that never came to be. The XC "handler" (driver) is the 10M interface on the Pro. It was written by Marty Gentry just before DECnet's cancellation. -Steve Do you have the DECnet kit for RT-11, or is this a version specific to the Pro-380? Zane At 7:41 PM -0400 6/4/10, Steve Davidson wrote: I have an ULTRIX kit, but no license. I also have Digital UNIX but again no license. I do not have DECnet for either - sorry. I am working on getting a PRO-380 (RT-11) w/DECnet to talk to HECnet. The DECNA has died a horrible death but the com port may be a possibility. -Steve -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

14 years, 10 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 9:34 PM +0800 6/5/10, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 5/06/2010 4:35 PM, Mark Wickens wrote: RE: VAXstation 4000/VLC - when I tried to do development on the box or display remote decterms it was pretty slow, even with 24MB. Also, you must have different/newer fans in yours - mine make a hell of a racket! I will agree with being slow :-) I find that it's not too bad though. Unfortunately I don't have the space to get the 4000/90 up and running. I too had noisy fans, but after a healthy dose of contact cleaner and oil they are almost silent. Maybe they just need a good clean? I wonder if that's what mine needs. I'm trying to remember if the PS was totally dead, or if it was howling to the point I couldn't run it in the dining room (actually that wouldn't be a problem now that it lives in the garage). I've been wondering if the fans are replaceable. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

14 years, 10 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 8:42 PM +0200 6/5/10, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:30:43 +0200, you wrote: TOPS-10 (could it even connect to DECnet?) It can! About a couple of years ago we were able to run DECnet Phase IV on Ethernet, by running TOPS-10 7.04 on the KLH10 emulator. Alas, to idle the emulator, the TOPS-10 monitor has to be modified so that it would make some I/O to a special device which would trigger the idle code into the emulator, but we never figured out how to do that. The TWONKY image has 4 different TOPS-10 7.04 monitors. http://klh10.trailing-edge.com/ One has LAT, and another has LAT and DECnet. Having LAT is nice if you have a LAT terminal server, since it allows you to easily connect a real terminal. :-) I'm afraid I can't help on the throttling. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

14 years, 10 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Do you have the DECnet kit for RT-11, or is this a version specific to the Pro-380? Zane At 7:41 PM -0400 6/4/10, Steve Davidson wrote: I have an ULTRIX kit, but no license. I also have Digital UNIX but again no license. I do not have DECnet for either - sorry. I am working on getting a PRO-380 (RT-11) w/DECnet to talk to HECnet. The DECNA has died a horrible death but the com port may be a possibility. -Steve -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

14 years, 10 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by bqt＠softjar.se

Hmm, I have simh running on Snow Leopard. I might have fixed something for it to work though. I'll try to remember to check later. Right now I have too many other things to attend to... Johnny Sampsa Laine wrote: Yes, had the same issue, had to move my SIMH machine (GORVAX) onto a Leopard box. Sampsa On 6 Jun 2010, at 00:40, Dan Williams wrote: I did have a simh machine on OSX but it stopped working with snow leopard and I didn't have the time to find out why. I also have a copy of decnet for Irix but not a license and I am not familiar enough with it to get it working. If anyone wants a copy let me know. Dan -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

14 years, 10 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by sampsa＠mac.com

Yes, had the same issue, had to move my SIMH machine (GORVAX) onto a Leopard box. Sampsa On 6 Jun 2010, at 00:40, Dan Williams wrote: I did have a simh machine on OSX but it stopped working with snow leopard and I didn't have the time to find out why. I also have a copy of decnet for Irix but not a license and I am not familiar enough with it to get it working. If anyone wants a copy let me know. Dan

14 years, 10 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by williams.dan＠gmail.com

I did have a simh machine on OSX but it stopped working with snow leopard and I didn't have the time to find out why. I also have a copy of decnet for Irix but not a license and I am not familiar enough with it to get it working. If anyone wants a copy let me know. Dan

14 years, 10 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by wilson＠dbit.com

From: gerry77 at mail.com We obviously needed (and still need) the idle function because of power- consumption-related problems, so we were stuck and had to forget about that. OK, you tried playing nice -- so now play dirty! If you never found a way to make NULJOB (or whatever TOPS-10 has for an idle loop -- I've never been into the sources) identify itself to KLH10, why not hack up KLH10 to detect NULJOB itself? If you can't rebuild it then its address isn't going to change on you (on a given installation anyway). The *clever* part would be to do it w/o adding an address/mode test to every single opcode fetch (but even if you have to do that it'll still be fast enough). With E11 I got lucky -- one of the ways to display the null job blinky lights pattern on a PDP-11 is with the WAIT instruction, so all the OSes use it, and that's obviously the right time to take a snooze. Maybe there's something along those lines that KLH10 could use? John Wilson D Bit

14 years, 10 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by gerry77＠mail.com

On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:30:43 +0200, you wrote: TOPS-10 (could it even connect to DECnet?) It can! About a couple of years ago we were able to run DECnet Phase IV on Ethernet, by running TOPS-10 7.04 on the KLH10 emulator. Alas, to idle the emulator, the TOPS-10 monitor has to be modified so that it would make some I/O to a special device which would trigger the idle code into the emulator, but we never figured out how to do that. Given that TOPS-10 comes with full sources and that the instructions to be added to the monitor are just two or three MACRO-10 lines, that's the easy part of the task. Instead, problems arise when it's time to actually generate a new monitor from sources. There is a guided procedure called MONGEN which asks for some parameters and then generates some source files used to conditionally assemble and link a new monitor (it reminds me of some very old "make config"). That whole task is quite easy to follow and we were very happy with it, but then we discovered that it cannot be used to completely rebuild the monitor, as it assembles some minor code and relinks everything against a big TOPS10.REL file which is indeed the monitor major block. There are provisions to rebuild TOPS10.REL, but the Software Installation Guide just directs to Appendix B, where it is suggested that, for more information about building the monitor library file, we should read the batch control file COMPIL.CTL. Unfortunately, COMPIL.CTL does not contain any comment or explanation and we think it is intended for somebody with a previous somewhat deep knowledge about such tasks, which we do not have. Even the relevant manuals are not overly clear about this topic, and many little details are left to immagination (or knowledge, as said). We obviously needed (and still need) the idle function because of power- consumption-related problems, so we were stuck and had to forget about that. Anyway, when we used it, we were able to use SET HOST from VMS and to copy files back and forth with COPY on the VMS side and NFT on the TOPS-10 one, so probably even other DECnet functions such as NML would nicely work. Cheers, :-) G. P.S. SIMH is not a viable choice, because it emulates only a KS10 CPU, while DECnet requires a KL10 CPU for its attached NIA20 Ethernet interface.

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