Also, came across this on Slashdot: http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/28/silicon-valley%E2%80%99s-dark-secret-it%E2…
How much is this true do you guys think?
I just turned 44 and it is something I worry about. I know my skills are nowhere near as currently relevant as they once were when I was fresh out of school. I've been working on the same product for the past 15 years, so that has also limited my personal development. I've been branching out a bit lately, but not as much as I could have when I was in my teens or early twenties.
--Marc
Will you be able to post the tarballs you received?
paul
On Aug 23, 2010, at 12:53 AM, G ran hling wrote:
Hi,
Thanks to the help of this list, and to an obviously most positive "phase of the moon", I established contact with the author in Germany. He just sent me a .tgz of each SOL-11 (47 kb) and BTN11 (18 kb), the later being the cross-assembler of his own, used to assemble the SOL-environment.
I have not yet started digging into this, but I'd like to give a greate credit to him (Nils M Holm | http://t3x.org) for making this piece of sw, and for making it available along with quite some other software for different systems. Unfortunately, most of his old productions are no longer published to the net (besides indexes of them), but he seems to have them archived himself.
He also gave me a warning that building the assembler might give some problems today, as it is written in K&R - C.
Also to you, Zane, a great thanks for helping and searching. I'll make this available to the net and/or to the HECnet as time goes by...
As for the sake of HECnet, well I've got a little more to do to get my bridge set up with a SIMH-emulated PDP as area-router, though I do actually have most pieces in place already. I'll have to use a "TapTun" interface, just like MacOS-X obviouly has to do, that remains to be fixed. In my case, running Free-BSD, but on a computer with only one ethernet-port. I've got image-files for an RSX-11 system running in SIM-H, but for this sake, I'd guess I'd prefer to build a new system from distributions, both to get double networking ports and area-router included, and also leave out some other things that are cluttered into my current images...
Besides, I intend to use the "hacked" SIM-H that ports directly into Johnny's bridge software...
Please don't expect this to happen "this week", as I'll have to tender my house a bit to start with, and that will have to be fixed before autumn comes raining and blowing. Playing with the computer is more like something to do inside during long, cold and dark winter evenings ;-)
All my best,
G ran
On 2010-08-23 05:08, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 1:02 AM +0200 8/19/10, G ran hling wrote:
Some years ago, I read some Internet writing about a SOL-11 (Small Operating Language), a Forth environment to boot and run a PDP-11.
It was written by a mr. Nils Holm in Germany.
It was by then available at:http://www.holm-und-jeschag.de/nils/comp.html
I cant find any copy of this around anywhere these days, and obviously I didn't download it myself either, guess there was just no space left on any HD in those days...
There was also a need for some assembler of Mr. Holms selection to compile this...
Does anyone have a copy archived of this little part of software for the -11?
Have you found a copy? I have a gzipped tarball containing it, and it looks like it's only 40k, so I could email it to you.
Zane
Hi,
Thanks to the help of this list, and to an obviously most positive "phase of the moon", I established contact with the author in Germany. He just sent me a .tgz of each SOL-11 (47 kb) and BTN11 (18 kb), the later being the cross-assembler of his own, used to assemble the SOL-environment.
I have not yet started digging into this, but I'd like to give a greate credit to him (Nils M Holm | http://t3x.org) for making this piece of sw, and for making it available along with quite some other software for different systems. Unfortunately, most of his old productions are no longer published to the net (besides indexes of them), but he seems to have them archived himself.
He also gave me a warning that building the assembler might give some problems today, as it is written in K&R - C.
Also to you, Zane, a great thanks for helping and searching. I'll make this available to the net and/or to the HECnet as time goes by...
As for the sake of HECnet, well I've got a little more to do to get my bridge set up with a SIMH-emulated PDP as area-router, though I do actually have most pieces in place already. I'll have to use a "TapTun" interface, just like MacOS-X obviouly has to do, that remains to be fixed. In my case, running Free-BSD, but on a computer with only one ethernet-port. I've got image-files for an RSX-11 system running in SIM-H, but for this sake, I'd guess I'd prefer to build a new system from distributions, both to get double networking ports and area-router included, and also leave out some other things that are cluttered into my current images...
Besides, I intend to use the "hacked" SIM-H that ports directly into Johnny's bridge software...
Please don't expect this to happen "this week", as I'll have to tender my house a bit to start with, and that will have to be fixed before autumn comes raining and blowing. Playing with the computer is more like something to do inside during long, cold and dark winter evenings ;-)
All my best,
G ran
On 2010-08-23 05:08, Zane H. Healy wrote:
At 1:02 AM +0200 8/19/10, G ran hling wrote:
Some years ago, I read some Internet writing about a SOL-11 (Small Operating Language), a Forth environment to boot and run a PDP-11.
It was written by a mr. Nils Holm in Germany.
It was by then available at:http://www.holm-und-jeschag.de/nils/comp.html
I cant find any copy of this around anywhere these days, and obviously I didn't download it myself either, guess there was just no space left on any HD in those days...
There was also a need for some assembler of Mr. Holms selection to compile this...
Does anyone have a copy archived of this little part of software for the -11?
Have you found a copy? I have a gzipped tarball containing it, and it looks like it's only 40k, so I could email it to you.
Zane
At 1:02 AM +0200 8/19/10, G ran hling wrote:
Some years ago, I read some Internet writing about a SOL-11 (Small Operating Language), a Forth environment to boot and run a PDP-11.
It was written by a mr. Nils Holm in Germany.
It was by then available at:http://www.holm-und-jeschag.de/nils/comp.html
I cant find any copy of this around anywhere these days, and obviously I didn't download it myself either, guess there was just no space left on any HD in those days...
There was also a need for some assembler of Mr. Holms selection to compile this...
Does anyone have a copy archived of this little part of software for the -11?
Have you found a copy? I have a gzipped tarball containing it, and it looks like it's only 40k, so I could email it to you.
Zane
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I'm pretty sure I have a copy in my personal archive, but I won't be able to
check until I get the computer it's on back up which will be sometime next
week.
Zane
On Thu, 19 Aug 2010, G ran hling wrote:
Hi,
Some years ago, I read some Internet writing about a SOL-11 (Small Operating Language), a Forth environment to boot and run a PDP-11.
It was written by a mr. Nils Holm in Germany.
It was by then available at:http://www.holm-und-jeschag.de/nils/comp.html
I cant find any copy of this around anywhere these days, and obviously I didn't download it myself either, guess there was just no space left on any HD in those days...
There was also a need for some assembler of Mr. Holms selection to compile this...
Does anyone have a copy archived of this little part of software for the -11?
Best regards,
G ran
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Paul Koning <paul_koning at dell.com> wrote:
Ah... found him: http://www.hs-augsburg.de/~hun/www.t3x.org/nmh/resume.html
paul
On Aug 18, 2010, at 7:02 PM, G ran hling wrote:
Hi,
Some years ago, I read some Internet writing about a SOL-11 (Small Operating Language), a Forth environment to boot and run a PDP-11.
It was written by a mr. Nils Holm in Germany.
It was by then available at:http://www.holm-und-jeschag.de/nils/comp.html
I cant find any copy of this around anywhere these days, and obviously I didn't download it myself either, guess there was just no space left on any HD in those days...
There was also a need for some assembler of Mr. Holms selection to compile this...
Does anyone have a copy archived of this little part of software for the -11?
Best regards,
G ran
Hello!
I believe I have a copy of a specific disk image, plus documentation
some place. It was available in one fashion or another from Bitsavers
for a while.
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Ah... found him: http://www.hs-augsburg.de/~hun/www.t3x.org/nmh/resume.html
paul
On Aug 18, 2010, at 7:02 PM, G ran hling wrote:
Hi,
Some years ago, I read some Internet writing about a SOL-11 (Small Operating Language), a Forth environment to boot and run a PDP-11.
It was written by a mr. Nils Holm in Germany.
It was by then available at:http://www.holm-und-jeschag.de/nils/comp.html
I cant find any copy of this around anywhere these days, and obviously I didn't download it myself either, guess there was just no space left on any HD in those days...
There was also a need for some assembler of Mr. Holms selection to compile this...
Does anyone have a copy archived of this little part of software for the -11?
Best regards,
G ran
The closest thing I know of is a Forth implementation on RSTS (V10.1, unsupported). I created that one, starting from the original which I think was FIG-Forth (Forth Interest Group), either standalone or RT-11 based. But I may be confused; it may be that the FIG implementation was only a source of features. But I do have some memory of a version that loaded from floppy, with application source code simply stored sector by sector and referenced by sector number (no file system).
paul
On Aug 18, 2010, at 7:02 PM, G ran hling wrote:
Hi,
Some years ago, I read some Internet writing about a SOL-11 (Small Operating Language), a Forth environment to boot and run a PDP-11.
It was written by a mr. Nils Holm in Germany.
It was by then available at:http://www.holm-und-jeschag.de/nils/comp.html
I cant find any copy of this around anywhere these days, and obviously I didn't download it myself either, guess there was just no space left on any HD in those days...
There was also a need for some assembler of Mr. Holms selection to compile this...
Does anyone have a copy archived of this little part of software for the -11?
Best regards,
G ran
Hi,
Some years ago, I read some Internet writing about a SOL-11 (Small Operating Language), a Forth environment to boot and run a PDP-11.
It was written by a mr. Nils Holm in Germany.
It was by then available at:http://www.holm-und-jeschag.de/nils/comp.html
I cant find any copy of this around anywhere these days, and obviously I didn't download it myself either, guess there was just no space left on any HD in those days...
There was also a need for some assembler of Mr. Holms selection to compile this...
Does anyone have a copy archived of this little part of software for the -11?
Best regards,
G ran
