On Thu, 2010-08-05 at 15:23 -0400, Joe Ferraro wrote:
As much as I can't stand Big Brother -- eh hem -- Google... if you're
not talking a hobbyist solution, its just downright difficult to beat
their imap / pop3 / web email solution -- especially when blasted SPAM
is considered.
If you have trouble with the fact that google aggressively analyzes,
stores and sells your data trends -- you might want to look at `exim`
for linux.
I've been reading some right horror stories about people who have had
their email accounts removed unconditionally due to suspected spamming
(through no fault of their own, and this is people who've paid for a
service) with no comeback and in some cases no way to get a response,
this has included websites, so I'd rather keep the solution in-house.
I'd get perverse pleasure from using allin1, but it's my understanding
that I would need a tru64 box running permanently to run the mailbus to
smtp gateway, and I'd rather not do that.
I'm happy to give a VMS solution a go - I use messagebunker, so should
be safe in the knowledge that everything is backed up.
Mark
If you want someone else to host your email and don't want it to be google, i'd
be more than happy to host anyone's email. I promise not to read your email and
stuff.
Really. :-D
-brian
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 03:23:12PM -0400, Joe Ferraro wrote:
As much as I can't stand Big Brother -- eh hem -- Google... if you're not
talking a hobbyist solution, its just downright difficult to beat their imap
/ pop3 / web email solution -- especially when blasted SPAM is considered.
If you have trouble with the fact that google aggressively analyzes, stores
and sells your data trends -- you might want to look at `exim` for linux.
Joe
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Fred <fcoffey at thrifty.misernet.net> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Mark Wickens wrote:
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I do both. I run Linux/Postfix and OpenVMS/PMDF. I can SSH into my Linux
box and then check my mail with (al)pine (like I am doing now) and also
telnet into my Alpha and read the mail with MAIL or PINE that is included
with PMDF.
Fred
--
"Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta
tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of
pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)
As much as I can't stand Big Brother -- eh hem -- Google... if you're not talking a hobbyist solution, its just downright difficult to beat their imap / pop3 / web email solution -- especially when blasted SPAM is considered.
If you have trouble with the fact that google aggressively analyzes, stores and sells your data trends -- you might want to look at `exim` for linux.
Joe
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Fred <fcoffey at thrifty.misernet.net> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Mark Wickens wrote:
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I do both. I run Linux/Postfix and OpenVMS/PMDF. I can SSH into my Linux box and then check my mail with (al)pine (like I am doing now) and also telnet into my Alpha and read the mail with MAIL or PINE that is included with PMDF.
Fred
On Thu, 5 Aug 2010, Mark Wickens wrote:
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I do both. I run Linux/Postfix and OpenVMS/PMDF. I can SSH into my Linux box and then check my mail with (al)pine (like I am doing now) and also telnet into my Alpha and read the mail with MAIL or PINE that is included with PMDF.
Fred
On 5.8.2010 18:44, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 11:36:13AM -0400, Steve Davidson wrote:
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I use a variety of OS platforms to provide email availability and I have found
that either NetBSD or Linux is the easiest to deal with and since you already
have Linux that would be the direction I would suggest.
As much as I'd love to run a mail server on VMS, I would have to agree with Steve
on this one.
As to accessing mail from a terminal vi ssh, I do exactly that myself. What I have
been doing is I run mutt locally on the mail server, but I've configured it to use
IMAP to access the mail server. It has worked very well.
-brian
Maybe I have to give the opposite opinion to keep the balance. :)
I have been running my own mail server on VMS and some other organizations servers as well. I'm not talking about my work where I've been doing it, too.
It is very simple to configure a mail server just with the native software (VMS and UCX or TCP/IP). You just run sys$manager:tcpip$config and then configure the SMTP server and the selection of client protocol you want to use (IMAP or POP3).
You can then use a browser-based mail client (e.g. Firefox), some other external client like Thunderbird or the regular VMS mail client (CLI).
There are more sophisticated mail server software for VMS like PMDF, All-In-One (aka Office Server), MX, etc.
Some of them are licensed for Hobbyists, but they need more effort to configure and maintain, but they also provide more features. It is your choice.
My point here is that it is really easy to use VMS as a mail server platform. There are natively some features which aren't found out-of-the-box on unices. One of them is DOS attack resistance and another is Intrusion Detection and avoidance.
If you like to know more, I'll be happy to help.
Kari
On 08/05/2010 11:36 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Mark Wickens
Collective Wisdom,
I'd like to bring email from my current remote hosted IMAP server
in-house. Can anyone provide guidance on solutions? I'd like access from
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I have an OpenVMS and Linux server available to serve.
Thanks, Mark.
Mark,
I would go with the Linux platform. As much as I prefer VMS over Linux let's
face it, you will find more support for the Linux platform in this space.
I would disagree on this point. If this is a hobbyist effort, then PMDF
from Process Software is certainly free and feature rich. It can be
found at:
www.process.com
Tim.
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 11:36:13AM -0400, Steve Davidson wrote:
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I use a variety of OS platforms to provide email availability and I have found
that either NetBSD or Linux is the easiest to deal with and since you already
have Linux that would be the direction I would suggest.
As much as I'd love to run a mail server on VMS, I would have to agree with Steve
on this one.
As to accessing mail from a terminal vi ssh, I do exactly that myself. What I have
been doing is I run mutt locally on the mail server, but I've configured it to use
IMAP to access the mail server. It has worked very well.
-brian
--
"Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta
tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of
pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)
Mark Wickens
Collective Wisdom,
I'd like to bring email from my current remote hosted IMAP server
in-house. Can anyone provide guidance on solutions? I'd like access from
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I have an OpenVMS and Linux server available to serve.
Thanks, Mark.
Mark,
I would go with the Linux platform. As much as I prefer VMS over Linux let's
face it, you will find more support for the Linux platform in this space.
I use a variety of OS platforms to provide email availability and I have found
that either NetBSD or Linux is the easiest to deal with and since you already
have Linux that would be the direction I would suggest.
-Steve
Collective Wisdom,
I'd like to bring email from my current remote hosted IMAP server
in-house. Can anyone provide guidance on solutions? I'd like access from
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I have an OpenVMS and Linux server available to serve.
Thanks, Mark.
