The simh host gets a separate address. A third system can connect to the host os and to the emulated system(s). Simultaneously even.
What doesn't work (IIRC) is an IP connection between the emulated system and its host, never mind which system initiated the session.
Whether it works on your particular flavor of linux: don't know. But if the host supports the pcap library then I think it will.
Hans
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Verzonden: 30 juni 2011 10:36
Also was going to ask (sorry for the e-mail flood) if on attaching ra0 to SIMH will it take the port over or co-exist on a separate IP address? I'd Ideally like to be able to SSH both the VAX and the Linux sides of the box.
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Mark, when you've installed TCPIP you run. @tcpIP$config.
Next, make sure that DECnet gets started before TCPIP is. These command files are usually in the VMS startup file.
Hans
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Verzonden: 30 juni 2011 10:29
Guys, I feel like such an idiot. I was following that self same tutorial to bootstrap SIMH and OpenVMS 7.3 - I didn't realise it went on that far. Epic FAIL ;)
See I told you it was too early!
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On 30 Jun 2011, at 08:38, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
See these instructions for details on what you need to do: http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html
Regards, Mark.
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On 30/06/11 09:36, Mark Benson wrote:
Also was going to ask (sorry for the e-mail flood) if on attaching ra0 to SIMH will it take the port over or co-exist on a separate IP address? I'd Ideally like to be able to SSH both the VAX and the Linux sides of the box.
As far as I know you'll need a separate ethernet device available which can be dedicated to SIMH. Otherwise you're into running SIMH in a VM.
I bought a USB->RJ45 Ethernet adapter for my Atom box a while back with the intention of providing a connection for SIMH, but I haven't got round to investigating why it doesn't work (I've only plugged it in so far).
Regards, Mark.
Also was going to ask (sorry for the e-mail flood) if on attaching ra0 to SIMH will it take the port over or co-exist on a separate IP address? I'd Ideally like to be able to SSH both the VAX and the Linux sides of the box.
--
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Has anyone ever run SIMH out of NetBSD? I'm curious as to how to link the Ethernet to the LAN device (ra0) on my D410 board.
It fails if I use:
attach xq ra0
OR
attach xq /dev/ra0
So not sure what to assign it to...
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On 30 Jun 2011, at 09:05, Fausto Saporito <fausap at libero.it> wrote:
Hello,
the TCPIP package is on the CD, and you have to install after the installation.
Before, you have to change some system parameters.
A good guide is http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html
Here you can find all the instructions to set up your sistem.
Fausto
Guys, I feel like such an idiot. I was following that self same tutorial to bootstrap SIMH and OpenVMS 7.3 - I didn't realise it went on that far. Epic FAIL ;)
See I told you it was too early!
--
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http://markbenson.org/bloghttp://twitter.com/MDBenson
On 30 Jun 2011, at 08:38, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
See these instructions for details on what you need to do: http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html
Regards, Mark.
Hello,
the TCPIP package is on the CD, and you have to install after the installation.
Before, you have to change some system parameters.
A good guide is http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html
Here you can find all the instructions to set up your sistem.
Fausto
2011/6/30 Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com>:
Hi guys.
(apologies if this arrives twice - it's way too early in the morning and I got woken up even ealier!)
Still never got to fixing the DECW setup on the Alpha. Will sort that some time, maybe. Got to work out how to get files off the machine. :)
I have a second OpenVMS project now. I have an Atom D410PT system (Mini-ITX board) with a 16GB SSD and a SD card reader that runs NetBSD 5.1 and SIMH. I have successfully bootstrapped SIMH and OpenVMS 7.3-1 (I think it's -1 not sure, definitely 7.3) onto a virtual disk. So now I have a silent, power efficient machine with which to get up to speed on OpenVMS basics. I can also backup the disk images periodically so if I make a blunder it's a no-brainer to get the working system back.
First barrier I hit is TCP/IP. I don't think the 7.3 Install script ever asked me to install it. It asked for DECNet-Plus (which I declined) and DECNet-PhaseIV (which I gladly accepted) but no TCP/IP support. Did I do something wrong or is it a separate install on VAX? It was included with 8.3 Alpha.
When I try to:
SET DEF SYS$MANAGER
@TCP$CONFIG.COM
It barfs and says the file is not found. I have licences registered for UCX and UCX-IP-CLIENT. If TCP/IP was installed it would surely have just failed on a license issue if the license wasn't in place, though?
--
On a semi-related note I noticed something installing 7.3 that it said not to install DECNet-Plus if you want to use DECNet-PhaseIV. Since HECNet is PhaseIV I didn't install Plus on the VAX EMulator, but I *did* IIRC on the Alpha. Will the Alpha need a re-install or reconfiguration of some kind to run on HECNet?
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On a semi-related note I noticed something installing 7.3 that it said not to install DECNet-Plus if you want to use DECNet-PhaseIV. Since HECNet is PhaseIV I didn't install Plus on the VAX EMulator, but I *did* IIRC on the Alpha. Will the Alpha need a re-install or reconfiguration of some kind to run on HECNet?
You won't find many people who know how to configure DECNet-Plus - all the documentation for HECnet focusses on PhaseIV. Basically DECNet-Plus is overkill for most hobbyists and is substantially more difficult to configure and maintain.
You can uninstall Plus and install IV no problems.
Yesterday I installed 8.3 on my Alpha 1000A - this is the start of me building an Alpha based production-like system in the mold that Steve Davidson used on BUBBLE, my 4000/90.
Regards, Mark
On 30/06/11 08:25, Kari Uusim ki wrote:
On 30.6.2011 10:10, Mark Benson wrote:
Hi guys.
(apologies if this arrives twice - it's way too early in the morning and I got woken up even ealier!)
Still never got to fixing the DECW setup on the Alpha. Will sort that some time, maybe. Got to work out how to get files off the machine. :)
I have a second OpenVMS project now. I have an Atom D410PT system (Mini-ITX board) with a 16GB SSD and a SD card reader that runs NetBSD 5.1 and SIMH. I have successfully bootstrapped SIMH and OpenVMS 7.3-1 (I think it's -1 not sure, definitely 7.3) onto a virtual disk. So now I have a silent, power efficient machine with which to get up to speed on OpenVMS basics. I can also backup the disk images periodically so if I make a blunder it's a no-brainer to get the working system back.
First barrier I hit is TCP/IP. I don't think the 7.3 Install script ever asked me to install it. It asked for DECNet-Plus (which I declined) and DECNet-PhaseIV (which I gladly accepted) but no TCP/IP support. Did I do something wrong or is it a separate install on VAX? It was included with 8.3 Alpha.
When I try to:
SET DEF SYS$MANAGER
@TCP$CONFIG.COM
It barfs and says the file is not found. I have licences registered for UCX and UCX-IP-CLIENT. If TCP/IP was installed it would surely have just failed on a license issue if the license wasn't in place, though?
--
On a semi-related note I noticed something installing 7.3 that it said not to install DECNet-Plus if you want to use DECNet-PhaseIV. Since HECNet is PhaseIV I didn't install Plus on the VAX EMulator, but I *did* IIRC on the Alpha. Will the Alpha need a re-install or reconfiguration of some kind to run on HECNet?
Hi,
The last VAX-VMS version is V7.3. There has never been a V7.3-1 for VAX, but only for Alpha.
You need to install TCP/IP separately. It can be done from the V7.3 VAX-VMS media. That version isn't the latest so if you want to install the latest, you have to use a later SPL media.
Both DECnet-plus and DECnet Phase IV work similarly, but the configuration and management is quite different. DECnet-plus offers OSI and TCP/IP integration with DECnet (e.g. DECnet-over-TCP/IP).
You don't need to change your Alpha installation if you just want to run DECnet. If you did configure DECnet-plus for just DECnet use, you'll be fine with it.
I don't know if the DECnet-over-TCP/IP functionality will work with HECnet, because I haven't had time to test it, but pure DECnet should work fine.
Kari
See these instructions for details on what you need to do: http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html
Regards, Mark.
On 30.6.2011 10:10, Mark Benson wrote:
Hi guys.
(apologies if this arrives twice - it's way too early in the morning and I got woken up even ealier!)
Still never got to fixing the DECW setup on the Alpha. Will sort that some time, maybe. Got to work out how to get files off the machine. :)
I have a second OpenVMS project now. I have an Atom D410PT system (Mini-ITX board) with a 16GB SSD and a SD card reader that runs NetBSD 5.1 and SIMH. I have successfully bootstrapped SIMH and OpenVMS 7.3-1 (I think it's -1 not sure, definitely 7.3) onto a virtual disk. So now I have a silent, power efficient machine with which to get up to speed on OpenVMS basics. I can also backup the disk images periodically so if I make a blunder it's a no-brainer to get the working system back.
First barrier I hit is TCP/IP. I don't think the 7.3 Install script ever asked me to install it. It asked for DECNet-Plus (which I declined) and DECNet-PhaseIV (which I gladly accepted) but no TCP/IP support. Did I do something wrong or is it a separate install on VAX? It was included with 8.3 Alpha.
When I try to:
SET DEF SYS$MANAGER
@TCP$CONFIG.COM
It barfs and says the file is not found. I have licences registered for UCX and UCX-IP-CLIENT. If TCP/IP was installed it would surely have just failed on a license issue if the license wasn't in place, though?
--
On a semi-related note I noticed something installing 7.3 that it said not to install DECNet-Plus if you want to use DECNet-PhaseIV. Since HECNet is PhaseIV I didn't install Plus on the VAX EMulator, but I *did* IIRC on the Alpha. Will the Alpha need a re-install or reconfiguration of some kind to run on HECNet?
Hi,
The last VAX-VMS version is V7.3. There has never been a V7.3-1 for VAX, but only for Alpha.
You need to install TCP/IP separately. It can be done from the V7.3 VAX-VMS media. That version isn't the latest so if you want to install the latest, you have to use a later SPL media.
Both DECnet-plus and DECnet Phase IV work similarly, but the configuration and management is quite different. DECnet-plus offers OSI and TCP/IP integration with DECnet (e.g. DECnet-over-TCP/IP).
You don't need to change your Alpha installation if you just want to run DECnet. If you did configure DECnet-plus for just DECnet use, you'll be fine with it.
I don't know if the DECnet-over-TCP/IP functionality will work with HECnet, because I haven't had time to test it, but pure DECnet should work fine.
Kari
