I'll never forget 'logging into' my hdds for the first time. :)
DSSI is just plain neat. If I remember correctly the drives themselves speak enough MSCP to service cluster requests themselves.
-brian
On Dec 21, 2011, at 22:59, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
DSSI! Brian, excuse me, but you're nuts :-)
What's wrong with DSSI? I've got a uVAX-III with a farm of DSSI drives
(the DEC R-400X box) in the garage. DSSI drives are cool - T11 CPUs in each
one, running RSX-11S (Johnny should love that!). They even have a little
MCR that you can talk to...
BTW, if anybody has a DSSI DLT drive (e.g. a TFxx) that they're willing to
part with, let me know. I need it to complete my collection...
Bob
How is IO on the cf card?
I haven't attempted to benchmark it, but empirically it works OK. The
system runs Ubuntu 10.04LTS with a custom kernel (the eBox has some
non-standard hardware that's not supported by the default kernel) and
simh-vax, and that's about all. I have the VAX emulation throttled to
about 50% of the CPU, so I could run another emulator if I felt like it. I
wanted to run TOPS-20 on it, but the idle detection in simh-KS10 for TOPS20
doesn't appear to work, so it hogs all the CPU time.
What I'd like to do with LEGATO is to set up two simulated NI devices in
simh. One will be my real Ethernet, and the other will be a virtual bridge
to Johnny's world. There appear to be enough pieces to do that, but I
haven't gotten around to trying it yet.
Bob
DSSI! Brian, excuse me, but you're nuts :-)
What's wrong with DSSI? I've got a uVAX-III with a farm of DSSI drives
(the DEC R-400X box) in the garage. DSSI drives are cool - T11 CPUs in each
one, running RSX-11S (Johnny should love that!). They even have a little
MCR that you can talk to...
BTW, if anybody has a DSSI DLT drive (e.g. a TFxx) that they're willing to
part with, let me know. I need it to complete my collection...
Bob
I've heard that before. :)
To that end I've been typing DIA0: all day long when I meant DUA0: on the simh machine we've been working on. :)
-brian
On Dec 21, 2011, at 22:42, "Steve Davidson" <jeep at scshome.net> wrote:
DSSI! Brian, excuse me, but you're nuts :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:40 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
I've got 4x VLC motherboards. I should really rig up some power for
then.
How is IO on the cf card? I've got a system here that might turn into a
dedicated simh box and I'd love to use a cf card in it.
Hmm, it might also be time to resurrect that old laptop as well.
Dammit! See what you've all gone and done? Not only am I looking for
machines to run simh on I've started looking for some dssi cables so I
can rebuild my VAX 4000/500 cluster!!
-brian
On Dec 21, 2011, at 22:22, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the same platform for the exact
purpose.
It used to be. I believe the VLC is the lowest power VAX ever made
(and
I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong :-), but including one SCSI
hard
disk it still uses 60-70W. It's not much, but running 24x7 it adds
up.
LEGATO is now a simh emulation on an eBox-3300. It's about as fast
as the
VLC, and uses 5W. Yes, five watts, and that includes the CF card that
serves as the emulated VAX disk drive.
It makes me feel like I'm cheating somehow, not running a real VAX,
but
the power difference is hard to ignore.
Bob
DSSI! Brian, excuse me, but you're nuts :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:40 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
I've got 4x VLC motherboards. I should really rig up some power for
then.
How is IO on the cf card? I've got a system here that might turn into a
dedicated simh box and I'd love to use a cf card in it.
Hmm, it might also be time to resurrect that old laptop as well.
Dammit! See what you've all gone and done? Not only am I looking for
machines to run simh on I've started looking for some dssi cables so I
can rebuild my VAX 4000/500 cluster!!
-brian
On Dec 21, 2011, at 22:22, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the same platform for the exact
purpose.
It used to be. I believe the VLC is the lowest power VAX ever made
(and
I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong :-), but including one SCSI
hard
disk it still uses 60-70W. It's not much, but running 24x7 it adds
up.
LEGATO is now a simh emulation on an eBox-3300. It's about as fast
as the
VLC, and uses 5W. Yes, five watts, and that includes the CF card that
serves as the emulated VAX disk drive.
It makes me feel like I'm cheating somehow, not running a real VAX,
but
the power difference is hard to ignore.
Bob
I forgot to add...
DEC used area 13 for DECUS (at least US anyway). The DECUS nodes were
colors just like our area 32. The area would be used for "special"
events and would be connected to the easynet backbone during a DECUS
symposium. Mostly this would occur in spring and fall. If the
documentation did not refer to area 13 for DECserver management, I would
have suggested area 13 for out special events area top pay homage to
that wonderful organization. Mark Wickens was going to use it for the
DEC legacy event this past October. I don't remember if he wound up
using it or used his own (area 4). Your list mentions me as the
"owner". That's fine, but I more of a coordinator of that area. Anyone
can use it for a "special" event like what Mark has - just let me know.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:11 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-22 04:04, Steve Davidson wrote:
Two things:
First I would like to continue to reserve area 13. All the
documentation about DECserver management refers to it.
Could you point me to some of that documentation? I've not seen any of
it, and I don't really at all understand the point of even setting up
information in the nodename database for DECservers, which don't even
speak DECnet to begin with. (And I do have DECservers up and running, as
well as manuals...)
I know that, from a convenience point of view, you can use the name as a
short cut for specifying the MAC address and circuit, but having an area
reserved for such a simple detail seems excessive.
Second SG1 is a VS4000/30 (VLC). It is small, quiet, and cheap to run
-
all very important features. If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the
same platform for the exact purpose. The only difference between my
Multnet "gateway" is that it can accommodate dynamic-DNS at the other
end.
Cool. I guess that platform should be enough to handle normal HECnet
traffic even if we grow some more.
How do you deal with dynamic IP addresses?
PS One more network is in the wings. You should be getting email
about
it soon enough if you have not already.
Nothing yet.
Johnny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:58 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Current list as of right now:
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 22-DEC-11 03:53:33
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
2 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 6.1 (STAR69)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
44 Reachable UNA-0 44.21 (NIKKEL)
54 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
59 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
.
That is 14 areas, and I'm talking to one more guy who wants a new
area,
which would bring us to 15.
Anyone object to me giving him area 13? It was asked to be reserved
for
DECserver management, but I don't really see the point of having an
area
for that purpose. But if you can convince me... :-)
Also, SG1:: is quite a hub from the bridge point of view. Lots of
connections coming through there. Nice. :-) What type of machine is
it?
Johnny
On 2011-12-21 18:29, Steve Davidson wrote:
At the moment 13 areas are up and running - this list only show 10.
Hopefully sometime today we will be at 14. We're working on it! :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:44 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-20 22:34, Steve Davidson wrote:
I have defined (or redefined) tunnels for areas 3 and 6 for both
GORVAX:: and SG1::. These are effective immediately. Enjoy!
Cool. Area 3 is up according to MIM. Pretty...
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 20-DEC-11 23:42:41
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I've got 4x VLC motherboards. I should really rig up some power for then.
How is IO on the cf card? I've got a system here that might turn into a dedicated simh box and I'd love to use a cf card in it.
Hmm, it might also be time to resurrect that old laptop as well.
Dammit! See what you've all gone and done? Not only am I looking for machines to run simh on I've started looking for some dssi cables so I can rebuild my VAX 4000/500 cluster!!
-brian
On Dec 21, 2011, at 22:22, "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the same platform for the exact purpose.
It used to be. I believe the VLC is the lowest power VAX ever made (and
I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong :-), but including one SCSI hard
disk it still uses 60-70W. It's not much, but running 24x7 it adds up.
LEGATO is now a simh emulation on an eBox-3300. It's about as fast as the
VLC, and uses 5W. Yes, five watts, and that includes the CF card that
serves as the emulated VAX disk drive.
It makes me feel like I'm cheating somehow, not running a real VAX, but
the power difference is hard to ignore.
Bob
Johnny,
I'll have to look up which documentation - I do not have it in front of
me at the moment. I personally use my own area to deal with this
because I am way past having to need the documents.
I have written a DCL procedure that does IP address lookups at
predetermined (configurable) intervals. If it finds a mismatched IP
address it reconfigures the the TCP-0-n (where "n" is the area - in my
case) IP address and schedules a reboot. It takes SG1:: ~3 minutes to
come back. I had to do this because Multinet (like the bridge) does not
support dynamic addressing. Area 33 is running with a dynamic-DNS
address. It just works and has for well over a year. It also sends
email to those who need to know that a change in address has occurred.
This can help Sampsa and Bob (two other connections that MISER::FRED
has) to notify them that they must reconfigure the entry for area 33.
Initially we used it to give MISER::FRED information to take to his ISP
that would detail just how often he would have to deal with new
addresses. Fred could probably provide more info on this. The email
also contains a report that provides some details that could be useful.
It has sure helped Fred and myself deal with "dynamic" changes! :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:11 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-22 04:04, Steve Davidson wrote:
Two things:
First I would like to continue to reserve area 13. All the
documentation about DECserver management refers to it.
Could you point me to some of that documentation? I've not seen any of
it, and I don't really at all understand the point of even setting up
information in the nodename database for DECservers, which don't even
speak DECnet to begin with. (And I do have DECservers up and running, as
well as manuals...)
I know that, from a convenience point of view, you can use the name as a
short cut for specifying the MAC address and circuit, but having an area
reserved for such a simple detail seems excessive.
Second SG1 is a VS4000/30 (VLC). It is small, quiet, and cheap to run
-
all very important features. If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the
same platform for the exact purpose. The only difference between my
Multnet "gateway" is that it can accommodate dynamic-DNS at the other
end.
Cool. I guess that platform should be enough to handle normal HECnet
traffic even if we grow some more.
How do you deal with dynamic IP addresses?
PS One more network is in the wings. You should be getting email
about
it soon enough if you have not already.
Nothing yet.
Johnny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:58 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Current list as of right now:
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 22-DEC-11 03:53:33
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
2 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 6.1 (STAR69)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
44 Reachable UNA-0 44.21 (NIKKEL)
54 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
59 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
.
That is 14 areas, and I'm talking to one more guy who wants a new
area,
which would bring us to 15.
Anyone object to me giving him area 13? It was asked to be reserved
for
DECserver management, but I don't really see the point of having an
area
for that purpose. But if you can convince me... :-)
Also, SG1:: is quite a hub from the bridge point of view. Lots of
connections coming through there. Nice. :-) What type of machine is
it?
Johnny
On 2011-12-21 18:29, Steve Davidson wrote:
At the moment 13 areas are up and running - this list only show 10.
Hopefully sometime today we will be at 14. We're working on it! :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:44 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-20 22:34, Steve Davidson wrote:
I have defined (or redefined) tunnels for areas 3 and 6 for both
GORVAX:: and SG1::. These are effective immediately. Enjoy!
Cool. Area 3 is up according to MIM. Pretty...
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 20-DEC-11 23:42:41
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the same platform for the exact purpose.
It used to be. I believe the VLC is the lowest power VAX ever made (and
I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong :-), but including one SCSI hard
disk it still uses 60-70W. It's not much, but running 24x7 it adds up.
LEGATO is now a simh emulation on an eBox-3300. It's about as fast as the
VLC, and uses 5W. Yes, five watts, and that includes the CF card that
serves as the emulated VAX disk drive.
It makes me feel like I'm cheating somehow, not running a real VAX, but
the power difference is hard to ignore.
Bob
On 2011-12-22 04:04, Steve Davidson wrote:
Two things:
First I would like to continue to reserve area 13. All the
documentation about DECserver management refers to it.
Could you point me to some of that documentation? I've not seen any of it, and I don't really at all understand the point of even setting up information in the nodename database for DECservers, which don't even speak DECnet to begin with. (And I do have DECservers up and running, as well as manuals...)
I know that, from a convenience point of view, you can use the name as a short cut for specifying the MAC address and circuit, but having an area reserved for such a simple detail seems excessive.
Second SG1 is a VS4000/30 (VLC). It is small, quiet, and cheap to run -
all very important features. If I remember correctly, LEGATO is the
same platform for the exact purpose. The only difference between my
Multnet "gateway" is that it can accommodate dynamic-DNS at the other
end.
Cool. I guess that platform should be enough to handle normal HECnet traffic even if we grow some more.
How do you deal with dynamic IP addresses?
PS One more network is in the wings. You should be getting email about
it soon enough if you have not already.
Nothing yet.
Johnny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:58 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
Current list as of right now:
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 22-DEC-11 03:53:33
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
2 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 6.1 (STAR69)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
44 Reachable UNA-0 44.21 (NIKKEL)
54 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
59 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
.
That is 14 areas, and I'm talking to one more guy who wants a new area,
which would bring us to 15.
Anyone object to me giving him area 13? It was asked to be reserved for
DECserver management, but I don't really see the point of having an area
for that purpose. But if you can convince me... :-)
Also, SG1:: is quite a hub from the bridge point of view. Lots of
connections coming through there. Nice. :-) What type of machine is it?
Johnny
On 2011-12-21 18:29, Steve Davidson wrote:
At the moment 13 areas are up and running - this list only show 10.
Hopefully sometime today we will be at 14. We're working on it! :-)
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:44 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Links defined
On 2011-12-20 22:34, Steve Davidson wrote:
I have defined (or redefined) tunnels for areas 3 and 6 for both
GORVAX:: and SG1::. These are effective immediately. Enjoy!
Cool. Area 3 is up according to MIM. Pretty...
.ncp sho act are
Active areas summary as of 20-DEC-11 23:42:41
Next
Area State Circuit Node
1 Reachable 1.13 (MIM)
3 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
4 Reachable UNA-0 4.249 (SLAVE)
6 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
8 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
11 Reachable UNA-0 11.2 (MAISA)
19 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
20 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
33 Reachable UNA-0 19.41 (SG1)
42 Reachable UNA-0 42.1 (CANADA)
.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
